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**Ann Launay** · 10-28-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

etc.

Your uneven columns offend me.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:42 PM

And I know Lindens too and I don't blame them individually for LL's stupid assed policy.

Nor would I or Sarah go up to a Linden and say "Fuck YOU!"

It was in chat, with people ranting and angry.

If LL gave a shit, it wouldn't have even happened to begin with.

Brenda Connolly · 10-28-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah Nerd

Agree doesn't cover it here. You totally hit the nail on the head. Thank You Humps.

And it totally describes SOP since I've been in SL at least. make sweepeing changes that effect many residents adversely, without making sure they are sound, not considering the downstream effect and the when the shit hits the fan, smack their foreheads and say "Oops! What WERE We thinking?" Kinda like this guy always did.

Dancien Graves · 10-28-2008, 04:44 PM

If they don't backtrack I'm all for an SLU Field trip to San Fran and the LL offices.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

If they don't backtrack I'm all for an SLU Field trip to San Fran and the LL offices.

Surreal · 10-28-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

About as effective as Project Open Letter I would imagine? Signed by how many hundreds of people?

And the effect of doing nothing is.... ??

Vengence Opus · 10-28-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

And I know Lindens too and I don't blame them individually for LL's stupid assed policy.

Nor would I or Sarah go up to a Linden and say "Fuck YOU!"

It was in chat, with people ranting and angry.

If LL gave a shit, it wouldn't have even happened to begin with.

FIC elitist.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

And the effect of doing nothing is.... ??

The same as our attempt at doing something, nothing or reduced to ranting in chat.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vengence Opus

FIC elitist.

No more than you know, you smug oldbie.

BEARintheMorning · 10-28-2008, 04:49 PM

Awww fuckit.

I was going to do a long post with my views and opinions but I don't have anything to add that I haven't agreed, disagreed, laughed, thanked, or groaned at already.

Carry on.

/me goes back to reading and mashing buttons.

Dancien Graves · 10-28-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

And I know Lindens too and I don't blame them individually for LL's stupid assed policy.

At this point I would blame them.

"If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem"

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

At this point I would blame them.

"If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem"

Meh, then a lot of us working for fucked up companies would have to quit our jobs.

I put the blame where it belongs or if someone is crusin' for a brusin'.

Lucifer Baphomet · 10-28-2008, 04:52 PM

Company Loyalty in the US is wierd.

I've always worked with the public in some way, (when I've been in employment) and this makes me think of when I worked the counter in the post office.

Often, we were short staffed, and had huge queues. Customers tempers would fray, and theyd get to your window, and complain about the queues, often with a "fuck the post office" or two thrown in.

Now, I didn't refuse them service because they insulted my employer, what I did was provide them with contact details for the appropriate person for them to vent to, and agreed "fuck the post office"

Different cultures or what?

Dancien Graves · 10-28-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Meh, then a lot of us working for fucked up companies would have to quit our jobs.

I put the blame where it belongs or if someone is crusin' for a brusin'.

Jack Linden's Office Hours are going to fucking suck for him. I may alt up and go.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:54 PM

I never gave people bullshit lines, I would say, I know, it's wrong, I'm sorry, here is what you can do.

Lucifer Baphomet · 10-28-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vengence Opus

FIC elitist.

Sooz Pascale · 10-28-2008, 04:58 PM

I don't know any Linden employees personally, at least not to my knowledge.

Criticism of LL's "business plan" if they even have one, their evident decision making process [See Trout's thread on this subject] and their low regard for their customers are perfectly valid areas of criticism.

One thing that seems to be missing at LL is what we lawyers call a "benefit v. burden analysis." In other words, if someone comes up with a bright idea, someone need to think about, "how will this impact our customers, if we do this and ultimately how will this impact our bottom line?" for example, it may seem like a great idea to raise tiers fees from, let's say $195 per sim to $250 per sim. Okay at first glance, great idea. BUT how many people, including SL businesses will just tier down or leave SL? Perhaps NOT a great idea. I'm sorry, but their decision making process sounds a LOT like my nine year old son's Little League team.

Sooz

**Ann Launay** · 10-28-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

That sounds uncomfortable.

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 04:58 PM

I know so few it's a joke. 2? 3?

One is purely by accident.

Rose Alba Karuna · 10-28-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brenda Connolly

One of my favorite things about SLU is that we can say Fuck whenever we want. And now we have an entire thread devoted to it. It excites me no end. Fuckin' A!!!

Yeah! LOL, it wasn't like she said something like Fuck you, you Fucking, Fuck or anything like that. It was just a general Fuck You.

I understand being upset with LL and about another absurd decision.

OTOH - I also think that it's important to remember that there are actual human beings at the end of the wire (even in chat) and in this medium it is difficult to know how they "see" what you have "said".

I'm glad that they gave it a second thought and unbanned you.

Surreal · 10-28-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

In my three years in SL, I have participated actively in the Open Letter project, filed uncountable ARs against griefers, filled out bug reports and JIRAs and attended Linden Office Hours meetings. I even carried a sign during the infamous peaceful birthday protest over unverified accounts in' 06. I felt like if I cared that much about a community I should at least try to make my opinion heard.

But what's been the overall outcome of caring that much?

I told Philip that offering free, unverified accounts would overload the grid and increase ARs a hundredfold - I was right. Their response? Stop answering ARs.

I helped to write the Open Letter, and we met with the Lindens to express our wish that grid stability and reliability be addressed before new features were added. Their response? Flexies and Sculpties.

And, lest I forget to mention it, the Tao of Linden. The biggest joke in the history of business models.

And a year later, the grid was still offering us missing inventory, login shutdowns and horrendous rez times.

At some point, the average user (me) has to ask themselves why they even bother any more. Something I started out loving so much - something I saw having infinite potential for human connection, virtual businesses and the future of the internet was ultimately turned into an overcrowded, under-serviced social game with more risk than reward.

That's where the anger comes from. When people are saying "fuck you", they're telling Linden Lab "We cared. We were passionate. We loved SL. But everything you've done has been a big 'up yours' to your customer base. Well, up yours right back."

I've been feeling betrayed for at least 2 years, now, and every time something like this happens it only intensifies those feelings of betrayal. I must be crazy because I keep coming back for more.

Hey, me too... nothing is more vengeful than the wronged lover.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 10-28-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Persephone Milk

In my Third Life, I am Io Zeno

What the hell:

How you doin'?

**Io Zeno** · 10-28-2008, 05:01 PM

A lot of you know Lindens and don't know it.

Dancien Graves · 10-28-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

A lot of you know Lindens and don't know it.

Well they can probably get fucked too.

Cindy Claveau · 10-28-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

One thing that seems to be missing at LL is what we lawyers call a "benefit v. burden analysis." In other words, if someone comes up with a bright idea, someone need to think about, "how will this impact our customers, if we do this and ultimately how will this impact our bottom line?"

This seems like the appropriate point at which we drag out the Tao. Just to disabuse people of the notion that there's a logical business process at work in SF:

The Tao of Linden « Official Second Life Blog

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Instead of being told what to do, you choose your own work by listening to your peers, making good strategic judgements, taking risks, and surfing a huge amount of information.

If I tried to put that mish-mash into my annual goals (in my REAL job working for a REAL company), I'd be out on my ass so fast it'd make me dizzy.

After reading that when it was released, a big fat light bulb came on. I've never expected quite as much from them since then, and yet I've still been disappointed.

10-28-2008, 04:44 PM	#329 (permalink)
Dancien Graves What? Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 7,066 My Mood: SL Join Date: 12/2006 Awards: 1	If they don't backtrack I'm all for an SLU Field trip to San Fran and the LL offices. __________________

10-28-2008, 04:49 PM	#335 (permalink)
BEARintheMorning Is this thing ON?!? Virtually burned out. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,290 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 7 SL Join Date: March 17, 2007 Business: BEARly There Enterprises	Awww fuckit. I was going to do a long post with my views and opinions but I don't have anything to add that I haven't agreed, disagreed, laughed, thanked, or groaned at already. Carry on. /me goes back to reading and mashing buttons. __________________ You know you're addicted to drag racing when: During the winter, you roll the windows down just to smell the tire smoke from skidding tires.

10-28-2008, 04:52 PM	#338 (permalink)
Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	Company Loyalty in the US is wierd. I've always worked with the public in some way, (when I've been in employment) and this makes me think of when I worked the counter in the post office. Often, we were short staffed, and had huge queues. Customers tempers would fray, and theyd get to your window, and complain about the queues, often with a "fuck the post office" or two thrown in. Now, I didn't refuse them service because they insulted my employer, what I did was provide them with contact details for the appropriate person for them to vent to, and agreed "fuck the post office" Different cultures or what? __________________

10-28-2008, 04:58 PM	#342 (permalink)
Sooz Pascale Long Distance Sailor Ribald Lewdness Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,751 My Mood: SL Join Date: January 27, 2007	I don't know any Linden employees personally, at least not to my knowledge. Criticism of LL's "business plan" if they even have one, their evident decision making process [See Trout's thread on this subject] and their low regard for their customers are perfectly valid areas of criticism. One thing that seems to be missing at LL is what we lawyers call a "benefit v. burden analysis." In other words, if someone comes up with a bright idea, someone need to think about, "how will this impact our customers, if we do this and ultimately how will this impact our bottom line?" for example, it may seem like a great idea to raise tiers fees from, let's say $195 per sim to $250 per sim. Okay at first glance, great idea. BUT how many people, including SL businesses will just tier down or leave SL? Perhaps NOT a great idea. I'm sorry, but their decision making process sounds a LOT like my nine year old son's Little League team. Sooz __________________ Nothing sickens me more than the closed door of a library - Barbara Tuchman

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Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	And I know Lindens too and I don't blame them individually for LL's stupid assed policy. Nor would I or Sarah go up to a Linden and say "Fuck YOU!" It was in chat, with people ranting and angry. If LL gave a shit, it wouldn't have even happened to begin with.

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Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	I never gave people bullshit lines, I would say, I know, it's wrong, I'm sorry, here is what you can do.

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Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	I know so few it's a joke. 2? 3? One is purely by accident.

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