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Aki Shichiroji · 10-04-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vryl Valkyrie

Winter, did you know by doing that, it is still a copyright violation? If you don't believe me, ask a lawyer. Instead of doing that, why not just be original and do your own thing? That's even better, don't you think?

Yes we're doing a shakedown if that's what you want to call it but not in the same context as you have mentioned. However, I'm not heartless. Had the OP contacted me as opposed to posting, I probably would have given the textures to her free as I have to so many others. She did not. She decided to take it to the forums instead.

I think we are getting issues mixed here. I am currently discussing other non related textures to the OP. That incident was resolved because the person who she bought the textures from was brave enough to admit wrong doing, refunded the Lindens, plus even purchased a license to use the legal version of the textures, which have been delivered to her.

If someone told you your item was stolen, that you could no longer use it again, and that the real item cost 'X', you would assume without question that the 'legitimate' creator of the object wanted money for it. From your own transcript, if there was any sort of 'deal' regarding your textures, you certainly didn't mention it outright. So of course what was Isablan to assume? Her OP was NOT "OMG i think i'm being scammed here and Vryl Valkyrie is a EVIL EVIL person", but a "Gee, I've got a problem here, and it's a tad expensive. What should I do?"

Vryl Valkyrie · 10-04-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachi

Fret not, we typically don't chew up dissenting posters although we are pretty likely to debate most anything. Welcome to SLU.

If I can summarize the objection to Vryl's stance is would be something like

We only have her(?) statement that there is a copyright violation and even that is pretty weakly stated. That is, Vyrl doesn't come out and say "I am the creator of these and hold the copyright". There is some confusing stuff about CDs and third parties that muddy the waters further.
Vyrl claims rights to "thousands" of textures over four years that have been misappropriated. She isn't very clear on how the misappropriation happened. Or if it did all happen through TRU she's aiming at the wrong targets.
Assuming Vyrl does own the copyrights and insists on perusing their removal from SL many innocent merchants and their innocent customers will be penalized for the actions of one license violator.
Vyrl came to SLU and made false accusations toward a highly regarded member of the community.
Vyrl doesn't seem to care about the problems her actions may entail, she just wants excessive payment for works that would be well nigh impossible to ever prove ownership of.

If all Vyrl's claims are true, she seems bent on a course of action that will irritate innocents, benefit Vyrl not at all, and likely harm her chances of ever being a respected texture merchant.

It does suck to have your stuff used without compensation, but having these alleged thefts in the wild for years pretty much guarantees you won't get the genie back in the bottle. C'est la vie deuxième.

Vryl did not come in make false accusations. You are making allot of unfounded assumptions. I am not the bad guy because we want to defend our IP. Unfortunately there is no other way to do this.

You keep speaking about the rights of others while ignoring our rights or thinking about how this has effected us.

As for Gibson, their situation is entirely different. Virtual Gibson products will not deappreciate the value of their product. The massive illegal redistribution of textures does negatively impact us.

I wish there was another solution other than UUID removal. There simply is not.

Winter Ventura · 10-04-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vryl Valkyrie

The massive illegal redistribution of textures does negatively impact us.

Sounds like your problem is with the texture distributor, not with the end users. Why are you harrassing the end users?

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Originally Posted by Vryl Valkyrie

Vryl did not come in make false accusations.

Vyrl should not speak in third person. It makes Winter seasick.

RandoymRandt · 10-04-2008, 09:33 AM

Vryl, what is your goal with your SL business? Does it feed your RL kids or something?

I mean, I'm all for certain property rights even tho I tend to the creative common licensing more than most people do.

So as you state, HOW HAS this affected you? For example, I've asked now several times, how much have you lost vis-a-vis what you spent to make these (your legit profits minus costs) but you don't want to tell us. So yeah, we have no idea how much it has affected you. But we can tell how much you are taking it out on other people without providing clear reason to do so.

Why are you liberal with freebiees with some people but charge others $8K?

Aki Shichiroji · 10-04-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

Yup.

Also, I'm still waiting for an answer on how much money he literally lost from his investment in this product that wasn't made up in "legit" sales.

He hasn't answered a single question about why he needs to charge these people 8K other than 'he feels like it' based on how much he likes that person or not.

It is very likely an agreed to amount between Vryl and the company he/she is contracted to represent, though I have a feeling said company has had no experience looking at the texture market in SL and likely has no idea that they are pricing their product out of marketability.

Malachi · 10-04-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vryl Valkyrie

I wish there was another solution other than UUID removal. There simply is not.

Yes there are other solutions but I cannot tell if you didn't read them or just don't like them. Even if your "exclusive license" to distribute these textures is ironclad, you don't have to act on it and given the way you say that you are proceeding, you are going to spend much on legal fees and likely generate no revenue.

I hope it makes you feel better, though.

Silhouette Vita · 10-04-2008, 09:37 AM

I don't thk its harrasment to claim a right.

Why do you see that as a harrasment?

Then my tax-office is harrassing me, I thk. They keep coming and claim their rights all the time...lol

RandoymRandt · 10-04-2008, 09:37 AM

oh for fricks sake this is the second time he's left the thread when pushed on the $ question.

I'm sure he'll be back again tho.

RandoymRandt · 10-04-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Silhouette Vita

I don't thk its harrasment to claim a right.

Why do you see that as a harrasment?

Then my tax-office is harrassing me, I thk. They keep coming and claim their rights all the time...lol

Did I miss the 'harrassment' post? I could have...

...what people are trying to judge is if this person is being motivated from need or greed. Either way, he's not doing a particularly good job of impressing people with his PR skills, tho I will admit we're a tough ass crowd.

Winter Ventura · 10-04-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

Did I miss the 'harrassment' post? I could have...

...what people are trying to judge is if this person is being motivated from need or greed. Either way, he's not doing a particularly good job of impressing people with his PR skills, tho I will admit we're a tough ass crowd.

I did say "harrassing"

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Originally Posted by Winter Ventura

Sounds like your problem is with the texture distributor, not with the end users. Why are you harrassing the end users?

Aki Shichiroji · 10-04-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

oh for fricks sake this is the second time he's left the thread when pushed on the $ question.

I'm sure he'll be back again tho.

To be fair, if you were to check out any of the stock photography sites out there, a texture from istock or corbis can run you anywhere from $1-20 real USD a piece. That said, you'd certainly be looking at resolutions higher than 1024x1024. That also doesn't take in to account the much lower price things simply are in SL.

Winter Ventura · 10-04-2008, 09:51 AM

Honestly, it's cheaper to take the item(s) off the market for a few days, and make your own textures, than deal with this extortion.

Don't give him a dime.

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Cristiano · 10-04-2008, 09:55 AM

As the original situation in this thread has been resolved by the original seller buying a license for Isablan, I am going to close this thread to keep it from escalating.

10-04-2008, 09:33 AM	#104 (permalink)
RandoymRandt sl2rllove.blogspot.com SL Prim Free Baby Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: AU Posts: 1,070 SL Join Date: Originally June 5, 2007 My Mood:	Vryl, what is your goal with your SL business? Does it feed your RL kids or something? I mean, I'm all for certain property rights even tho I tend to the creative common licensing more than most people do. So as you state, HOW HAS this affected you? For example, I've asked now several times, how much have you lost vis-a-vis what you spent to make these (your legit profits minus costs) but you don't want to tell us. So yeah, we have no idea how much it has affected you. But we can tell how much you are taking it out on other people without providing clear reason to do so. Why are you liberal with freebiees with some people but charge others $8K? __________________ *...Never Underestimate the Power of Denial...* ~Ricky, American Beauty

10-04-2008, 09:37 AM	#107 (permalink)
Silhouette Vita Different Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4 SL Join Date: oct. 2007 Business: Silhouette's SLShopper Ads: 2 My Mood:	I don't thk its harrasment to claim a right. Why do you see that as a harrasment? Then my tax-office is harrassing me, I thk. They keep coming and claim their rights all the time...lol __________________ Best regards Silhouette Vita Owner of Silhouette's

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10-04-2008, 09:37 AM	#108 (permalink)
RandoymRandt sl2rllove.blogspot.com SL Prim Free Baby Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: AU Posts: 1,070 SL Join Date: Originally June 5, 2007 My Mood:	oh for fricks sake this is the second time he's left the thread when pushed on the $ question. I'm sure he'll be back again tho.

10-04-2008, 09:51 AM	#112 (permalink)
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Shinier than you. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 799 SL Join Date: 7/13/2006 Business: Eclectic Randomness SLShopper Ads: 5 My Mood:	Honestly, it's cheaper to take the item(s) off the market for a few days, and make your own textures, than deal with this extortion. Don't give him a dime. [CG Textures] - The worlds largest free texture site 25.000+ high resolution textures, free for personal and commercial use!