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Tyche Shepherd · 10-01-2008, 06:04 PM

I'm getting a problem with Libsecondlife based clients

Tonight all logins on these are being rejected with the
"Second Life cannot be accessed from this computer.
If you feel this is in error please contact support@secondlife.com"

This is happening with SLeek and my own versions of SLeek and other clients based around Libsecondlife and only started today (I use a customised version of Sleek for my daily grid surveys).

I've no problem logging in using full graphical clients such as official ones and Nicholaz viewers so its not an IP or Account blocking

Before I report it to concierge I want to see if its a general problem related to today's security fix rolling restarts or just me

Could someone with access to SLeek try logging in and post the result here ?

Cristiano · 10-01-2008, 06:07 PM

It's not just you, I got the same message.

Walker Moore · 10-01-2008, 06:18 PM

It seems not all applications using the libsecondlife libraries are affected because I just successfully logged in with the latest version of Second Inventory (1.2.0.6).

That probably lets you do everything Sleek does, but I suppose it's a bit expensive unless you need to transfer a lot of builds between grids.

Tyche Shepherd · 10-01-2008, 06:18 PM

Opps ... looks like all bots are broken then

Tyche Shepherd · 10-01-2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker Moore

It seems not all applications using the libsecondlife libraries are affected because I just successfully logged in with the latest version of Second Inventory (1.2.0.6).

That probably lets you do everything Sleek does, but I suppose it's a bit expensive unless you have builds to transfer.

I wrote my own client based on Sleek (or to be honest just modifed Sleek a bit) for my surveying - Though its probably not the latest version of Libsecondlife so maybe thats something to look at

Adam Zaius · 10-01-2008, 06:30 PM

It could be because LL changed a section of the protocol with the security update. I'd probably wager that being more probable.

Walker Moore · 10-01-2008, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

I wrote my own client based on Sleek (or to be honest just modifed Sleek a bit) for my surveying - Though its probably not the latest version of Libsecondlife so maybe thats something to look at

Second Inventory ships with libsecondlife.dll version 0.9.0.0, compiled on 23/09/2008.

I'm not sure if that info is of any use because the SI team compile their own dll with built in security features, and it's possible the version number doesn't correspond with the official libsecondlife.dll release.

Matty Luminos · 10-01-2008, 06:50 PM

I've just heard that users in the UK using AOL (and possibly some other isps too) are havving problems logging in. On the other hand I'm in the UK and using AOL and I got in fine.

Predreus · 10-01-2008, 07:56 PM

I just logged on fine with SLeek v0.2.0

Tess Whitcroft · 10-01-2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

Opps ... looks like all bots are broken then

Gosh, how horrible. Whatever will become of those poor merchants who count on bots for traffic numbers and land grabbing?

Tess

WarKirby Magojiro · 10-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tess Whitcroft

Gosh, how horrible. Whatever will become of those poor merchants who count on bots for traffic numbers and land grabbing?

Tess

There are more, legitimate uses for bots, than just traffic farming.

Tyche Shepherd · 10-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Seems to be working again ... But thanks everyone

I reckon they put a ban on useragents with *libsecondlife in them to stop some griefing and then droppped it

Tess Whitcroft · 10-01-2008, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

There are more, legitimate uses for bots, than just traffic farming.

I feel that bots are unnecessary, insulting and far too prone to abusive uses and that Second Life would be better without them.

Tess

Gabriele Graves · 10-01-2008, 11:59 PM

I have not been able to get into SL via ajaxlife.net for the last 5 hours - same message as above

"Second Life cannot be accessed from this computer. If you feel this is an error, please contact support@secondlife.com."

Io Zeno · 10-02-2008, 12:54 AM

Lucifer couldn't log in either, he is on nicholaz.

CoyoteMomiji · 10-02-2008, 02:45 AM

Tess, I occasionally use a bot to model new outfits. It works out pretty well and is coded well enough (by Fatz, natch) that the drain on any resources is minimal. And I haven't noticed a real difference in traffic with or without the bot.

I only use the one. *shrug* It's a better mannequin than anything made with prims. SO FAR.

Aodhan McDunnough · 10-02-2008, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Zaius

It could be because LL changed a section of the protocol with the security update. I'd probably wager that being more probable.

Yeah but the update was supposed to be optional. I accidentally logged in with the older client and my teleports borked. I don't know if there's a connection.

Jessica Robertson · 10-02-2008, 11:32 AM

What they should do instead of banning Bots, is only allow one active, logged in account per IP Address.

Aodhan McDunnough · 10-02-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

What they should do instead of banning Bots, is only allow one active, logged in account per IP Address.

Old discussion.

1. Banning bots is impossible. There is no way to reliably distinguish bot behavior from some human behavior. If any attempt is made then botmakers will just adjust the bot behavior to pass the filter.

2. One per IP doesn't work either. There are shared IPs.

There are bots we like, bots we don't mind, and bots we hate. To get rid of the bots we hate you have to find a way to make the effort not worth their while. For example if there were no gold in an MMO then there will be no gold farmers. That's a simplistic (and undesireable actually) example but you'll get the drift.

Tess Whitcroft · 10-02-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMomiji

Tess, I occasionally use a bot to model new outfits. It works out pretty well and is coded well enough (by Fatz, natch) that the drain on any resources is minimal. And I haven't noticed a real difference in traffic with or without the bot.

I only use the one. *shrug* It's a better mannequin than anything made with prims. SO FAR.

You and Fatz are amongst my favorite SL peeps and yet I must disagree a bit here. If you couldn't use a bot would that spoil your SL experience so bad that you would quit? There have been people abused by land bots so bad they have left SL Several disagreed with me and yet they have not given any reasons why bots are necessary.

Tess

Winter Ventura · 10-02-2008, 05:48 PM

JVA Bot is working fine..
Sleek 0.2.0 is working fine here too.

My bot saves me THOUSANDS of L$ every month, managing my "Product Updates" and "Store Mailing List".. as compared to things like Subscribe-o-matic. Would I quit SL without it? no.. but I'd have to force people to use a "group" slot to keep up on the latest new products at my shop.

The fact that she can also serve as a model in my shop, AND allow me to have telepresence in my shop SIMULTANEOUSLY to being someplace else.. that's all gravy. The difference in traffic were she to be gone? probably negligible. The difference in sales of the robot avatar she's modelling, and of the new products I announce every week or two? I think I'd miss that a lot more.

Tess Whitcroft · 10-02-2008, 10:26 PM

It is funny. This kind of reminds me of the RL firearms debate.

Guns don't kill people, gun shooters do.
If there were no guns they would find some other way to kill.
If you make guns illegal now, only the people you really don't want to have them will have them.

Bots don't cause the problems the people that use them do.
If there were no bots people would find other ways to be abusive with scripted prims or the like.
If you make bots illegal now only the people you really don't want to have them will have them.

Pandora's box has been opened and there is no point in going back.

But personally I feel Second Life should be about people not NPCs with accounts.

Tess

Aodhan McDunnough · 10-02-2008, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tess Whitcroft

Pandora's box has been opened and there is no point in going back.

But personally I feel Second Life should be about people not NPCs with accounts.

Tess

SL's Pandora's box was never closed. There was never a way to keep bots from appearing. LL didn't even need to open source the client for this to happen.

As experienced by my friends who work in an MMO company, anti-bot enforcement also doesn't work. Even the best of human enforcers can still make a mistake. Programmatic detection is even worse.

While it's nicer to deal with people remember that bots are an inescapable fact. Bots outside SL find you the best air fares, they manage auctions in eBay, they find the news articles we want (RSS).

We will just have to deal with the fact that some avs we deal with are bots, just like we deal with the fact that people are non-responsive because they are afk.

Personally I don't mind bots that do constructive stuff. I'm more pissed at HUMAN griefers.

For us to make some of the bots we don't want disappear, we have to completely get rid of the traffic meters.

10-01-2008, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tyche Shepherd Fortuna vitrea est Goats ?.. fuck'em .. Let them milk themselves Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,976 SL Join Date: 26th April 2007 My Mood:	Login rejected using Libsecondlife clients I'm getting a problem with Libsecondlife based clients Tonight all logins on these are being rejected with the "Second Life cannot be accessed from this computer. If you feel this is in error please contact support@secondlife.com" This is happening with SLeek and my own versions of SLeek and other clients based around Libsecondlife and only started today (I use a customised version of Sleek for my daily grid surveys). I've no problem logging in using full graphical clients such as official ones and Nicholaz viewers so its not an IP or Account blocking Before I report it to concierge I want to see if its a general problem related to today's security fix rolling restarts or just me Could someone with access to SLeek try logging in and post the result here ? __________________ Vanguard of the LolCatz Revolution This Post was financed by The National LolCatz Archives Clancy Sullivan :Yeah. YEAH! The sultry seamstress of mirth is definitely in charge now. Certified 7.8 on the Official Non-Arbitrary Trout Algorithmic Slut scale

10-01-2008, 06:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Matty Luminos neko boy will strip for fish Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 209 SL Join Date: Oct 5, 2006 Business: Chaos Cat Blog Entries: 1 My Mood:	I've just heard that users in the UK using AOL (and possibly some other isps too) are havving problems logging in. On the other hand I'm in the UK and using AOL and I got in fine. __________________ meow.

10-01-2008, 07:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Predreus ~Pet of ZsuZsanna~ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FL Posts: 619 SL Join Date: 4/2/2006	I just logged on fine with SLeek v0.2.0 __________________

10-02-2008, 02:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
CoyoteMomiji is oh-so-Slick I stopped the signal. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,550 SL Join Date: 01/26/06 Business: Slick SLShopper Ads: 15 My Mood:	Tess, I occasionally use a bot to model new outfits. It works out pretty well and is coded well enough (by Fatz, natch) that the drain on any resources is minimal. And I haven't noticed a real difference in traffic with or without the bot. I only use the one. shrug It's a better mannequin than anything made with prims. SO FAR. __________________ Slick in Mikianna

10-02-2008, 05:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Shinier than you. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 799 SL Join Date: 7/13/2006 Business: Eclectic Randomness SLShopper Ads: 5 My Mood:	JVA Bot is working fine.. Sleek 0.2.0 is working fine here too. My bot saves me THOUSANDS of L$ every month, managing my "Product Updates" and "Store Mailing List".. as compared to things like Subscribe-o-matic. Would I quit SL without it? no.. but I'd have to force people to use a "group" slot to keep up on the latest new products at my shop. The fact that she can also serve as a model in my shop, AND allow me to have telepresence in my shop SIMULTANEOUSLY to being someplace else.. that's all gravy. The difference in traffic were she to be gone? probably negligible. The difference in sales of the robot avatar she's modelling, and of the new products I announce every week or two? I think I'd miss that a lot more. __________________ There's a little bit of paradise.. the way hot pepperoni, mushrooms, pineapple and melted cheese all come together in a single moment in time. Last edited by Winter Ventura; 10-02-2008 at 05:54 PM.

10-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Walker Moore Invisible Man Alpha Inside (tm) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,053 Doom Rider Champion!	It seems not all applications using the libsecondlife libraries are affected because I just successfully logged in with the latest version of Second Inventory (1.2.0.6). That probably lets you do everything Sleek does, but I suppose it's a bit expensive unless you need to transfer a lot of builds between grids.

10-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tyche Shepherd Fortuna vitrea est Goats ?.. fuck'em .. Let them milk themselves Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,976 SL Join Date: 26th April 2007 My Mood:	Opps ... looks like all bots are broken then

10-01-2008, 08:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tyche Shepherd Fortuna vitrea est Goats ?.. fuck'em .. Let them milk themselves Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,976 SL Join Date: 26th April 2007 My Mood:	Seems to be working again ... But thanks everyone I reckon they put a ban on useragents with *libsecondlife in them to stop some griefing and then droppped it

10-01-2008, 11:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Gabriele Graves Dark Miss Fit Superbly Flawed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wandering Eternity Posts: 426 SL Join Date: 12/04/2007 Business: The Black Orchid SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I have not been able to get into SL via ajaxlife.net for the last 5 hours - same message as above "Second Life cannot be accessed from this computer. If you feel this is an error, please contact support@secondlife.com."

10-02-2008, 12:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
Io Zeno MAD DOG Rabid Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,334 My Mood: Awards: 1	Lucifer couldn't log in either, he is on nicholaz.

10-02-2008, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Jessica Robertson Senior Member On Fire! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 880 SL Join Date: Dec 2004	What they should do instead of banning Bots, is only allow one active, logged in account per IP Address.

10-02-2008, 10:26 PM	#22 (permalink)
Tess Whitcroft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 601	It is funny. This kind of reminds me of the RL firearms debate. Guns don't kill people, gun shooters do. If there were no guns they would find some other way to kill. If you make guns illegal now, only the people you really don't want to have them will have them. Bots don't cause the problems the people that use them do. If there were no bots people would find other ways to be abusive with scripted prims or the like. If you make bots illegal now only the people you really don't want to have them will have them. Pandora's box has been opened and there is no point in going back. But personally I feel Second Life should be about people not NPCs with accounts. Tess