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Sansarya · 08-10-2008, 10:53 PM

I haven't seen much discussion of this article this weekend. Anyone else see this?

Bloomberg.com: Technology

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To develop computer systems, Linden named Frank Ambrose as senior vice president of global technology. Ambrose was previously head of technology for infrastructure and network services at Time Warner Inc.'s AOL.

While people are spending more time on Second Life, the growth of new users has been slowing ``for quite a while,'' Kingdon said. About 1.2 million people logged on in the past 60 days, he said.

Macphisto Angelus · 08-10-2008, 10:59 PM

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The company has cut the number of steps it takes to register for Second Life from seven to one

Do you want to play Second Life? (Click only one):

( ) YES

( ) NO

Welcome to Second Life.

Colette Meiji · 08-10-2008, 11:17 PM

Surely they didn't think the insane growth rate we had after 6/6/06 and the unverified swarm was infinitely sustainable.

Sansarya · 08-11-2008, 02:34 AM

I think it just backs up Kapor's statements at SL5B, that the early adopters are on their way out, and LL will be focusing more on corporate clients for the future.

Quote:

At Second Life, Kingdon said he plans to get more companies to use the service to host meetings and events. Cigna Corp., the U.S. insurer that specializes in corporate health plans, announced a health-focused island in Second Life last month. ArcelorMittal, the world's biggest steelmaker, held a shareholder meeting in Second Life in June

Colette Meiji · 08-11-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sansarya

I think it just backs up Kapor's statements at SL5B, that the early adopters are on their way out, and LL will be focusing more on corporate clients for the future.

I still dont get this.

Except for advertising what is a corporation going to use SL for?

Penny Patton · 08-11-2008, 03:34 AM

They're trying to make corporations believe that SL is not telecomutting's retarded, paraplegic stepchild, but is in fact an excellent way to do business online.

Colette Meiji · 08-11-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Penny Patton

They're trying to make corporations believe that SL is not telecomutting's retarded, paraplegic stepchild, but is in fact an excellent way to do business online.

LOL

Hope they have good luck with that.

Malachi · 08-11-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Except for advertising what is a corporation going to use SL for?

Mid-morning yiffing?

FlipperPA Peregrine · 08-11-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

I still dont get this.

Except for advertising what is a corporation going to use SL for?

I can think of several thousand reasons.

For our company (a mid-sized, mainly blue collar company), we use it for corporate training, rapid prototyping, education and marketing... and we're hardly the most technically advanced company out there.

Regards,

-Flip

Khamon · 08-11-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Penny Patton

They're trying to make corporations believe that SL is not telecomutting's retarded, paraplegic stepchild, but is in fact an excellent way to do business online.

This just needs to be quoted a million times in as many threads.

Parker McTeague · 08-11-2008, 03:22 PM

going off topic here...

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Originally Posted by the article

``Who wouldn't be concerned when Google comes after their business?'' said Kingdon

for heaven's sake, two grave accents (``) DO NOT MAKE AN OPENING DOUBLE QUOTE! yes they sort of slant in the right direction, but the spacing is awful and distracting, and it's *still* not a real opening quote. if you can't figure out how to replace with “ then just give up and use the double prime marks.

Tranquility · 08-11-2008, 05:19 PM

If Linden is going to make SL appealing to anyone other than a MMO virtual world crowd, they need to start making it a lot more user friendly. For example, they need to add in a line of business tools as well as easy access for everyone (like adobe acrobat pro and acrobat reader). For businesses to get customer hits, customers need to be able to simply click a link at the business website and it installs a limited-use SL program on their computer, just enough to be able to browse in world at the business's specific sim with easy movement and viewing options. Something that can be up and running on an average computer with DSL in about 5-10 mins. No avatar setup (the company's sim would have default avatars), no newbie island, just go exactly where you want and then leave when you are done. If they find SL interesting, point them towards how to make a regular avatar account.

Sansarya · 08-11-2008, 05:35 PM

I've thought for awhile they need to have mods like they do for WoW, users could trade them around, you could download them and customize your SL UI more. I definitely need the Inventory Mod for SL (that doesn't exist, lol).

Colette Meiji · 08-11-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansarya

I've thought for awhile they need to have mods like they do for WoW, users could trade them around, you could download them and customize your SL UI more. I definitely need the Inventory Mod for SL (that doesn't exist, lol).

I want the mod where someone comes along, gives me $50,000L and then just NUKES MY WHOLE DAM INVENTORY so I can start over.

Aaron Edelweiss · 08-11-2008, 07:17 PM

Heh, secondlife's infrastructure can't handle the traffic now. Growing faster is a great business goal, but they haven't kept up with the growth of the last year.

Colette Meiji · 08-11-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Edelweiss

Heh, secondlife's infrastructure can't handle the traffic now. Growing faster is a great business goal, but they haven't kept up with the growth of the last year.

I hate to say it but I'd even vote for a little bit of Entropy.

There's plenty of people in SL I wouldn't miss if they left.

Wouldn't want any legit business owners losing money though.

CaleVinson · 08-11-2008, 11:44 PM

I'm no web guru, so experts should feel free to jump on the following as inpracticable, a security nightmare, etc.

Was a little while back now, but I've played around with those doohicky's that let you see what is happening on someone else's PC screen. Its a lot of fun, and highly instructive, to watch (and talk with) someone in Sydney making sculpties in Blender, from the comfort of your home in Melbourne.

Similar tools are used, I gather, for remote administration of PC's.

Perhaps it would be possible to define some open standard for "Remote Application Control". So that I could also have Blender running on my PC, and have it respond to the commands being issued in by the guy in Sydney to his Blender. Individual application makers would be responsible for writing the RAC interface for their particular application, and SL would act as the link - Sydney command to RAC-powered-Blender gets transmitted to SL, and back out to Melbourne RAC-Blender. The meeting of the AV's in SL would set up the link, and routing that process through SL would provide *some* degree of security (perhaps

).

My thinking here is that if you really want productivity improvements in peoples real work, you *don't* make them learn new tools. Architects will want to talk about design plans in whatever package they regularly use, not as prims in SL. Accountants will want to use spreadsheets, etc.

Take the above, and combine it with AV's that have attached webcam screens (to detect subtle communication), and room-based systems (to prevent the Anshe flying penii scenario), together with Tranquility's simplified startup model above, and, IMHO, you have something that starts to look "business ready".

It also looks nothing like SL, which is why I think badging SL as a business app is the wrong track.

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08-10-2008, 11:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Colette Meiji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,221 My Mood:	Surely they didn't think the insane growth rate we had after 6/6/06 and the unverified swarm was infinitely sustainable.

08-11-2008, 03:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
Penny Patton Punk Girl in Space Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 304 SL Join Date: 11/30/2005 My Mood:	They're trying to make corporations believe that SL is not telecomutting's retarded, paraplegic stepchild, but is in fact an excellent way to do business online.

08-11-2008, 05:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tranquility Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 379 My Mood:	If Linden is going to make SL appealing to anyone other than a MMO virtual world crowd, they need to start making it a lot more user friendly. For example, they need to add in a line of business tools as well as easy access for everyone (like adobe acrobat pro and acrobat reader). For businesses to get customer hits, customers need to be able to simply click a link at the business website and it installs a limited-use SL program on their computer, just enough to be able to browse in world at the business's specific sim with easy movement and viewing options. Something that can be up and running on an average computer with DSL in about 5-10 mins. No avatar setup (the company's sim would have default avatars), no newbie island, just go exactly where you want and then leave when you are done. If they find SL interesting, point them towards how to make a regular avatar account.

08-11-2008, 05:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sansarya Koo Koo Kachoo! uhhhh...? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rosebud Posts: 258 SL Join Date: April 2005 My Mood:	I've thought for awhile they need to have mods like they do for WoW, users could trade them around, you could download them and customize your SL UI more. I definitely need the Inventory Mod for SL (that doesn't exist, lol).

08-11-2008, 07:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aaron Edelweiss Banned mmmm, coffee Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA Posts: 430 SL Join Date: 4/4/2004 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	Heh, secondlife's infrastructure can't handle the traffic now. Growing faster is a great business goal, but they haven't kept up with the growth of the last year.

08-11-2008, 11:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
CaleVinson Hypersonic Absolutist Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 733	I'm no web guru, so experts should feel free to jump on the following as inpracticable, a security nightmare, etc. Was a little while back now, but I've played around with those doohicky's that let you see what is happening on someone else's PC screen. Its a lot of fun, and highly instructive, to watch (and talk with) someone in Sydney making sculpties in Blender, from the comfort of your home in Melbourne. Similar tools are used, I gather, for remote administration of PC's. Perhaps it would be possible to define some open standard for "Remote Application Control". So that I could also have Blender running on my PC, and have it respond to the commands being issued in by the guy in Sydney to his Blender. Individual application makers would be responsible for writing the RAC interface for their particular application, and SL would act as the link - Sydney command to RAC-powered-Blender gets transmitted to SL, and back out to Melbourne RAC-Blender. The meeting of the AV's in SL would set up the link, and routing that process through SL would provide some degree of security (perhaps ). My thinking here is that if you really want productivity improvements in peoples real work, you don't make them learn new tools. Architects will want to talk about design plans in whatever package they regularly use, not as prims in SL. Accountants will want to use spreadsheets, etc. Take the above, and combine it with AV's that have attached webcam screens (to detect subtle communication), and room-based systems (to prevent the Anshe flying penii scenario), together with Tranquility's simplified startup model above, and, IMHO, you have something that starts to look "business ready". It also looks nothing like SL, which is why I think badging SL as a business app is the wrong track.