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Beezle Warburton · 08-07-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tranquility

This is repulsive behavior on the part of the bot owner.

Aside from the timer, it would be nice if land that is priced well below the average market value required seller consent for the final sale.

Yes.

Markubis · 08-07-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tranquility

Aside from the timer, it would be nice if land that is priced well below the average market value required seller consent for the final sale. The seller would get a type in your name (like in EQ where you have to type in the name of the character you mean to delete) consent box saying "So-and-so Avatar wants to buy your (sim and size) land for . Do you consent?"

This way legitimate sellers and buyers won't have their normal market transactions affected and mistakes can be caught pretty easily and fixed.

thats a good idea too

The only problem I see with this is that it would require the seller to be in SL or come into SL before the buyer could take full control of the land. A lot of land owners take days, weekends, even weeks off...so in that situation, the buyer would never be able to get the land.

Beezle Warburton · 08-07-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Markubis

thats a good idea too

The only problem I see with this is that it would require the seller to be in SL or come into SL before the buyer could take full control of the land. A lot of land owners take days, weekends, even weeks off...so in that situation, the buyer would never be able to get the land.

Well, that's where the "well below market value" would come into play.

nadir · 08-07-2008, 12:05 PM

man, that is sad

WarKirby Magojiro · 08-07-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

As you see in my sig, there is no way to stop landbots.

Of course it is,

Instead of land purchase being completely automated, have it done like a biddding system. Your money would be held in escrow, and the seller would have 24 hours to confirm or reject your offer.

That wouldn't ac tually stop bots, but it would stop them from buying land for 1l. ANd who cares whether it's a bot or not if thy're forced to pay a fair price.

Tyche Shepherd · 08-07-2008, 12:06 PM

There is a JIRA for a confirmation of sale option similar to this https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2905 - The difference is that seller confirmation is required in the first 5 or 10 minutes of a lot being on sale - after that it reverts to no seller confirmation required

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Markubis

thats a good idea too

The only problem I see with this is that it would require the seller to be in SL or come into SL before the buyer could take full control of the land. A lot of land owners take days, weekends, even weeks off...so in that situation, the buyer would never be able to get the land.

Also, buyers typically want instant satisfaction. If they have to part with their money, then wait, there's a good chance they'll move on to find a parcel they can get straight away. The seller becomes disadvantaged, and the seller genuinely pricing their land competitively is unnecessarily disadvantaged.

That's why I've always thought a short delay between land listed for sale to anyone appearing in land for sale is a good solution, to give a bit of a window for any mistakes to be rectified or that unwise quicky transaction to occur. It probably wouldn't need to be for long. It could perhaps be further fine-tuned by having it only trigger if it's a certain amount below market average. Land set for sale to a specific person could list straight away so as not to impede those sorts of transactions.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

There is a JIRA for a confirmation of sale option similar to this https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2905 - The difference is that seller confirmation is required in the first 5 or 10 minutes of a lot being on sale - after that it reverts to no seller confirmation required

Or this. This is what we nutted out last time. Probably a more elegant solution.

Colette Meiji · 08-07-2008, 12:21 PM

None of the popup warning and checkboxes mention Landbots yet do they?

I find the argument - "well they should have read the warnings" - to be fairly weak because of this.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

None of the popup warning and checkboxes mention Landbots yet do they?

I find the argument - "well they should have read the warnings" - to be fairly weak because of this.

I checked them earlier today, and no, unless I missed a step (I stopped at the last click so as not to actually set it for sale). It says something about anyone being able to buy it, including people not in the sim, but that doesn't clue you into bots at all.

Beezle Warburton · 08-07-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fade Languish

I checked them earlier today, and no, unless I missed a step (I stopped at the last click so as not to actually set it for sale). It says something about anyone being able to buy it, including people not in the sim, but that doesn't clue you into bots at all.

The speed with which they respond is astounding.

Are they just hammering search constantly?

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beezle Warburton

The speed with which they respond is astounding.

Are they just hammering search constantly?

I think they have to use multiple bots now, because after about 4 or 5 quick refreshes, you get locked out for a little while (terrible solution, now they chew more resources). But yeah, when I was selling my mainland I intentionally priced a parcel just below market so a bot would snatch it, and it was so fast the k-ching made me jump.

Dnate Mars · 08-07-2008, 12:45 PM

If you try to go through multiple pages of listings it will lock you out!

Beezle Warburton · 08-07-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnate Mars

If you try to go through multiple pages of listings it will lock you out!

Yah, they just made it more annoying for actual players to find a plot to buy.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beezle Warburton

Yah, they just made it more annoying for actual players to find a plot to buy.

And disadvantaged anyone who's land is listed a few pages on.

Ordinal Malaprop · 08-07-2008, 01:00 PM

The point of diminishing returns with warning windows is reached quite quickly - particularly as people become more and more used to having to click through many different "are you SURE?" windows in their own operating systems, let alone SL. Perhaps the warning could be worded more emphatically but people would still ignore it, not having the full information as to really quite what this means in practice (and it is not as if LL will put in a box saying "if you do this a landbot WILL steal your land").

Anyway, if it is known that if you do X a landbot WILL steal your land, why not just stop people doing X? If you really need to for some reason there could be some sort of Advanced toggle, which you should know how to activate if you have enough knowledge to know what you are doing.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

The point of diminishing returns with warning windows is reached quite quickly - particularly as people become more and more used to having to click through many different "are you SURE?" windows in their own operating systems, let alone SL. Perhaps the warning could be worded more emphatically but people would still ignore it, not having the full information as to really quite what this means in practice (and it is not as if LL will put in a box saying "if you do this a landbot WILL steal your land").

I have no idea how many things I click away a day, and you end up pretty trigger happy.

reeneebob Birmingham · 08-07-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tranquility

This is repulsive behavior on the part of the bot owner.

Aside from the timer, it would be nice if land that is priced well below the average market value required seller consent for the final sale. The seller would get a type in your name (like in EQ where you have to type in the name of the character you mean to delete) consent box saying "So-and-so Avatar wants to buy your (sim and size) land for . Do you consent?"

This way legitimate sellers and buyers won't have their normal market transactions affected and mistakes can be caught pretty easily and fixed.

This right here is a FANTASTIC idea.

You can't simply sell land at the drop of a hat in real life, so when L$ are worth USD there should be a way to add one extra layer.

reeneebob Birmingham · 08-07-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

None of the popup warning and checkboxes mention Landbots yet do they?

I find the argument - "well they should have read the warnings" - to be fairly weak because of this.

I sold land for the first time yesterday, and because of my paranoia of landbots, I went over those screens with a fine toothed comb. NO WHERE does land bot appear. And I would hazard at least 70% of the population do not go to forums where land bots are discussed.

The casual SL user doesn't go to the forums...in my experience anyway.

Cindy Claveau · 08-07-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

The point of diminishing returns with warning windows is reached quite quickly - particularly as people become more and more used to having to click through many different "are you SURE?" windows in their own operating systems, let alone SL.

So Vista owners are really fucked, then.

DJQuad · 08-07-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

The only protection against them is awareness.

And not dealing with mainland. With Private Islands at least there are Estate Managers who care enough to do something about this and other things that LL won't do if it's mainland.

Pol · 08-07-2008, 04:26 PM

What if LL were to add a CAPTCHA step to in-world land purchases?

Tranquility · 08-07-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pol

What if LL were to add a CAPTCHA step to in-world land purchases?

That would probably go a long way to getting rid of bots in general.

But I imagine there will still be scum out there who will have bots active while they are online that will notify the bot owners of mistake/below market value so that the owners themselves can try to purchase the land. It would slow down the purchase process quite a bit at least.

Gigs · 08-07-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daman

(and while we're at it - camping bots, spam bots, or how about ALL bots)

Wow, I expected better from you. Do you also think we should get rid of all LSL scripting?

Maybe we should ban machines from factories, because they take jobs away from artisans?

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Ordinal Malaprop Is that the time? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Caledon Posts: 191	The point of diminishing returns with warning windows is reached quite quickly - particularly as people become more and more used to having to click through many different "are you SURE?" windows in their own operating systems, let alone SL. Perhaps the warning could be worded more emphatically but people would still ignore it, not having the full information as to really quite what this means in practice (and it is not as if LL will put in a box saying "if you do this a landbot WILL steal your land"). Anyway, if it is known that if you do X a landbot WILL steal your land, why not just stop people doing X? If you really need to for some reason there could be some sort of Advanced toggle, which you should know how to activate if you have enough knowledge to know what you are doing.