Malachi

I just became non-nomadic for the first time in a couple of years and needed to do some furnishing.

Not only did OnRez remember my SLboutique registration (and L$ balance) but it still is the way to find what you need quickly.

That is all.

Peter Stindberg

From a merchan't perspective, OnRez has the best backend. However SLX generates about 3 times more sales.

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Candide LeMay

I want some of what you're drinking/inhaling

Beezle Warburton

I prefer SLEX's search (yes they're evil, we know), but then I hunt down the stuff in-world and buy it there.

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Malachi

My comparison was spending 30 failed minutes with in-game search and 30 seconds with OnRez.

I guess this makes me a noob from 2003.

Candide LeMay

I'm not saying inworld search is better, I'm not sure that one even works, but the one on OnRez is pretty ... suboptimal too

Winter Ventura

I have to disagree on OnRez's backend.

Last night, I noticed that my SLX boxes were failing. I had just moved them, so I figured, hey.. let me check the version number. Well OOPS, my boxes were old! So I snagged new SLX boxes, rezzed them, named them, filled them, and updated. Then I deleted the old ones.

Perfect. Flawless.

Then I looked at OnRez, and there too, my boxes were aging. So I snagged new ones. Rezzed, named, loaded, updated, and deleted the old boxes.

My listings were deleted.

I'm actually considering NOT bothering relisting my items on OnRez. I only had one item listed there, but it was a complex, html-riddled listing. Adding MORE items over there, I just don't see it happening.

SLX has support for multiple, redundant magic boxes, and handles box deletion gracefully. SLX has the sales, SLX has the enhancements I want.

OnRez sells about 2 items a month for me.

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Dakota Tebaldi

I've tried them both. I always found more and better stuff on SLX. Say, for instance, I wanted to search for a bicycle. I'd find something like 12 different vendors selling different lines of bicycles on SLX, and 2 vendors on OnRez. Also, I'm stupid, so I had to spend something like an hour at some kiosk in order to figure out how to get started with it, and the whole rez-the-wallet-and-pay-into-it thing was confusing at first. Back when I actually put money into the offline shopping services, I liked the simplicity of SLX, where you just walk up to a terminal and pay it and that's it.

All that said, like somebody else above, I mostly use SLX as a search engine; I find what I want there, then look for a SLURL to follow so I can go buy the thing in-world. I do this because sometimes the vendors don't put absolutely everything they have on SLX. There could be a better, cooler, newer, and/or awesomer thing in the same product line in the store that they have (for whatever reason) not decided to sell offworld. I have more than once bought something offworld, only to visit the inworld shop and wish I'd used that money on the next item over.

Malachi

Sorry, didn't mean to start a religious war.

WarKirby Magojiro

Last time I looked, OnRez didn't have automatic sale notifications to an external server. Manually copying and pasting records is really not fun.

Slex does.


I've just looked at OnRez now, and I still don't see this functionality mentioned anywhere. The Help and Support centre says nothing about it.

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Vaelissa Cortes

Onrez has a nice looking website, but I don't like having to log in every single time I go there. Is is really that hard to make the website remember me? I only check there every few weeks maybe and even that almost isn't worth it, considering I make 50 times the amount of sales on SLEX.

prinţesă nină

slx allows bri and i to profit split all slx sales.
i have yet to find this feature in onrez.
i never did like slb, and i dont like it any better now that it has been re branded.

one thing i do like about slb is the fact that i can rez a 'wallet' rather than have to hunt for a terminal and risk getting scammed by a transparent prim or whatnot.
slx needs a like onrez.

Beezle Warburton

Where the item listing is, next to the "Payment Method" click on "edit."

This will take you to the Payment Method page, you can add in a split, then select it on the item listing dropdown.

Michael Bigwig

Umm...drinking the pink Koolaid?

Yes, OnRez is a well-designed site. But I don't think you should give it kudos for remembering your account and balance...that's kind of...a requirement.

Not to mention, SLX produces about 10 times more sales. I have forgotten about OnRez...and will probably login in about a year, and have enough money to pay for a tank of gas...if that.

Oh, by the way. I have had the same SLX magic-box for about 5 months. Why do I have to upgrade to a new version? Things seem to be working well enough as they sit.

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Joshua Nightshade

I've split products all the time.

I never made a lot of actual sales through either but I push about 250 - 350 freebies a day now through onrez.

Joshua Nightshade

And functionality and everything is nice, even if it's Warkirby's weird functionality that nobody else in SL uses, but just remember that via SLX you're supporting a company that not only positions the products of its owners before its other customers and designs functionality deliberately to do so, but you're also supporting a company that bans users for any legitimate complaints they have about the way that company does business, with no appeals, no responses, no respect.

Never heard of onrez doing that before.

ZATZAi

Actually that girl from OnRez answered Warkirby's question in another thread...

...

As far as Winter goes, I've always upgraded my boxes the hard way. But I guess if you wanted to upgrade it without redoing the items you'd have to take out the old scripts and drop in the new ones. Assuming the item UUID of the server needs to be unique, not sure though...

But yah, SLX does seem to have more stuff to find. The search on OnRez has improved, at launch it was pretty aweful, it has some nice nuances now though like the ability to search within a search is very useful. I think its more a problem of lack of items and people tagging their items with bogus tags...

*sigh*

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Michael Bigwig

I've had zero problems with SLX. I've found them to be a solid source of steady income, easy to setup accounts and item listings, very few delivery issues, and a quality search engine.

I'm not sure about the slander by Josh...but I certainly would be curious to see some proof of these questionable business ethics, as I've not seen one instance, and this is the first time I've heard it even mentioned.

Nothing personal Josh...just want to see some proof.

Verkin Raven

Uh, what about when they put 10Linden ACS as it's own category on the front page?

Joshua Nightshade

You need to look around more. There's been plenty threads here and on their official forums (if they weren't hidden) about Apotheus putting Anshe Chung's "10 Lindens" store on the front page ahead of everyone else.

One Ten Linden Girl » VTOR - Virtual TO Reality

Anshe Chung's L$10 designs raise concern

Anshe Chung and the 10 L$ fever « A Crimson world

What I know about ... Anshe Chung - Second Life Insider

Considering the goal of that was for Anshe Chung to devalue the content creation market, do you think that's acceptable for SLX to position her before other creators?

As to the other, I have never posted on the SLX forums, but I was banned, my L$ balance seized and my items removed because I criticized Apotheus' bullying actions to shut down SC because a random, anonymous person posted server code that was released publicly the year before in a permissions exploit. Code that should have been cleaned up considering it was publicly available, yet he flipped out, followed wholly incorrect procedures with the DMCA and had SC's ISP shut them down instead of contacting the site owner first. Myself and several others from SC were banned for complaining, on SC, about the route he took.

Their forums are rife with bullying moderators insulting people and then banning them. Just a couple weeks ago Tenshi was banned and when asked why one of the admins told her she was trash or something.

Again, is this a merchant you want to support?

Troy Vogel

I keep postings on SLexchange and put a link to my store. I never make sales from SLEXCHANGE, because most people know better... they go in world and buy it directly from me.

as for onRez.. Why do we really need two of everything? Plus isnt onRez owned by Sheep? I am not sure how I feel about that bunch....

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Michael Bigwig

That *is* awful yes, however, I can understand favoritism...that's business. And as far as Anshe dropping the value of other products because of her low price, I think that's unfortunate for some merchants, but many won't be influenced by this. Anshe can't make *everything*. Similarly freebie stores can't offer everything. And really...can you blame Anshe Inc.? All is fair in love and war...and business falls into this as well.

That really sucks that they bully people around. I guess I'm glad I don't frequent that forum.

As far as supporting SLX with my presence there...I don't know what to say. About half of my sales come from SLX...and I certainly don't want to lose that. Yes, they may be jerks from time to time, but it's not like I'm supporting Al Qaeda by selling on SLX.

Winter Ventura

No, *I* am the merchant I want to support. Period, end of statement.

Money I make from Second life, PAYS MY RENT. I know I'm one of only a handful who can say that, and beleive me, I'm grateful.. but I also live below the poverty line, and every month it's a question of "will I make rent?"

Now, most months, it's not a problem.

Part of the reason that it's not a problem, is because of SLX. I make sales at SLX. Having listings there, costs me ZERO DOLLARS. IF I sell something, then SLX gets a tiny fraction. Far less than I willingly pay people INWORLD to host an affiliate vendor.

When I cash out, I cash out via SLX.. because it's bloody fast (10 minutes on SLX, versus 10 days on Lindex). They have a support staff whose entire job, is making sure that things at SLX go well. If something goes wrong, I can drop a quick email on them, and get it sorted out within a day or so. With the Lindex, it's "file a support ticket, and good luck if you're not premium". Even on OnRez, their response is "file a support ticket".

Honestly, I think the SLX forums suck.. they serve as a tarbaby for people to get stuck in. People like Ten, and whoever else, who get into-it on the forums, and then some moderator bans them from the marketplace.. it's exactly as dangerous and stupid as the official SL forms. Which I work really hard to avoid.

Frankly, the issue with Ansche Chung, is that they are a corporation, not a person. And when people see Ansche Chung getting prefferential treatment, they think that ONE AVATAR is being unfairly held up. When in truth, Ansche Chung (inc) is part owner of SLX.

But on OnRez, they unfairly hold up "Electric Sheep Company" because that's the business that runs that site.

At the same time, Cristiano unfairly holds up Anomations on SLUniverse.. and Luc Aubret unfairly holds up AubreTec on Rezzed.Net. and DoD unfairly holds up Radio Free Darkmere, and SC unfairly held up.. well you get the idea.

It's not impartial.. it's not fair. These marketplaces are provided, basically for free or very miniscule fees, by people with other business interests. Like someone owning a sim and renting out space.. it's totally unfair that they give the choicest parcels to their friends for free, and charge other, hard working people, for the lesser spaces.

But that's fucking life dude. He who has the gold, makes the rules.

My bottom line is, making enough to cover rent, and the next HD I need to replace, and maybe a few pizza's along the way. And if SLX is helping me get there, then that's what I'm using. OnRez is barely pulling enough sales to justify the work to relist my items. But that's my call to make.

If you want to get all "up in arms" and try to organize a boycott.. that's fine.. but it's not convincing me. I made more than 11000L$ from SLX last month, and I've made about L$8000 this month. That's close to $75. On OnRez, it was maybe 1000L for the same period.

Michael Bigwig

Not sure what you mean...you never make sales from SLX? Well, then that says something about your product, not SLX, because many people sell quite a bit there on a daily basis. What do you mean people know better? They know not to shop there? Well, again, that's not true because tons of people profit from SLX all the time.

I too have a SLURL in my item description...but SLX is still very convenient, and almost totally reliable.

I agree that OnRez should just go away...it's the same thing as SLX. Of course there are always multiple versions of a product...but in this case, it's not necessary.

Joshua Nightshade

I didn't read most of this past your rude tone of voice. So if you want me to give a shit, speak to me appropriately.