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armozel · 07-08-2008, 07:22 PM

I'm unimpressed with it so far. Even Imvu works better than this pile of dung.

Ordinal Malaprop · 07-08-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy Vogel

SIT to ride a vehicle like a Segway?
or Worse have to WEAR a vehicle?
Stand Up button's location makes no sense
Chat button has no text
Communicate button? like what's that??? as opposed to chat?

Overly complex fragmented, strange search and its categories...

What's up with PICKS of a person displaying when you search for their name in the new search? Why is that so important?

the list goes on. If you look at SL from an outsider's point of view, half the functionality, and half the UI makes no sense.

The orientation island is terrible, worse than ever because they did not update it when the UI changed in one of the recent updates.

One of my students kept trying to hula on the orientation island but he could not find the hula animation in his inventory or activated gestures list.

As opposed to:

- it keeps crashing?
- you can't change anything apart from tweak your clothing, which makes you crash?

I would perhaps add more if I could at all interact with it without it freezing and crashing. The poison gas pig looks potentially entertaining.

Tess Whitcroft · 07-08-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Fear my giant head of doom:

It definitely is an IMVU killer - it remains to be seen what this will pan out to be, but LL should be concerned. The ability to embed rooms in web pages and such may prove to be a killer app, especially if there is user creatable content ultimately. If anyone can pull this off, it is Google. Scoff at it now, but it is pretty damn impressive all around and will only get better.

Yes. That embedding into blogs and other social web pages could be quite popular. In fact the ability to embed seems to be the latest hot thing. On the same page in TechCrunch that announced Lively there was an "ad" for Seesmic. Which seems to be a video version of forums like this one as well and an embeddable video conversation tool. While we all seem to be able to be vicious with typed words, would we be so uncivil if it was our voice and our face commenting?

Tess (trying not to sidetrack her own thread)

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-08-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Troy Vogel

SIT to ride a vehicle like a Segway?

The text on the sit button is changeable by script. It's the creator's fault if they fuck that up.

Ordinal Malaprop · 07-08-2008, 07:32 PM

Look, I can log into Second Life right now, and it will work. (It just did.) I can go and buy clothes and put them on and pretty much all of the time they will be there. I can edit my appearance, it will change. If I am the sort to build or script I can do that and it will happen. 99.9% of the time.

We complain about the 0.1% of the time that it doesn't, and quite reasonably so - over all of the hours we spend there that works out to be quite a bit - but compared to this sort of thing, There/IMVU on the web which simply doesn't work, all it does is make me think that SL is the best thing ever. Right now.

Joshua Nightshade · 07-08-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tess Whitcroft

While we all seem to be able to be vicious with typed words, would we be so uncivil if it was our voice and our face commenting?

Yes.

Ordinal Malaprop · 07-08-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tess Whitcroft

Yes. That embedding into blogs and other social web pages could be quite popular. In fact the ability to embed seems to be the latest hot thing. On the same page in TechCrunch that announced Lively there was an "ad" for Seesmic. Which seems to be a video version of forums like this one as well and an embeddable video conversation tool. While we all seem to be able to be vicious with typed words, would we be so uncivil if it was our voice and our face commenting?

Tess (trying not to sidetrack her own thread)

Embedding something which doesn't work on your Myspace is not going to be a big draw, I foresee. Even if it does work it will be a big bandwidth drain for any visitor and they will want some sort of blocking plugin.

Honestly, nobody cares about Seesmic either, apart from the vlogging crowd, and even they have gone off the idea.

Aaron Edelweiss · 07-08-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brenda Connolly

but maybe it will draw some of the reality nitwits away from SL

huh?

Tess Whitcroft · 07-08-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

Look, I can log into Second Life right now, and it will work. (It just did.) I can go and buy clothes and put them on and pretty much all of the time they will be there. I can edit my appearance, it will change. If I am the sort to build or script I can do that and it will happen. 99.9% of the time.

We complain about the 0.1% of the time that it doesn't, and quite reasonably so - over all of the hours we spend there that works out to be quite a bit - but compared to this sort of thing, There/IMVU on the web which simply doesn't work, all it does is make me think that SL is the best thing ever. Right now.

There is a large body of Second Life participants that are mostly visitors. They don't own land and don't build anything but some do spend money to express themselves in their avaters. There is another group that has their 512m or 1024m plots of land and express themselves on those. They spend more money and have a 3d environment in which to express themselves.

Lively could appeal to those groups. They could have their own 3d rooms on their MySpace/Facebook pages that their friends could visit. They could express themselves in their avatars and the 3d spaces that are their Lively rooms. Once the application is stable, the content creators set loose and the viral nature of an embeddable application takes hold this could be very big and put a serious dent in the more causal Second Life visitors.

Tess

**Eboni Khan** · 07-08-2008, 07:42 PM

I currently have Cris trapped in my little Lively apt watching my favorite drag queens on youtube. So I am loving this right now

Lordfly Digeridoo · 07-08-2008, 07:42 PM

Going for the Myspace angle seems pretty doomed, too. Myspace's "ooh shiny" is long gone, everyone's currently on Facebook.

But in a few years we'll be all looking at some other social network. These sites are ephemeral (right word?), and basing your business plan on 'em is stupid.

Lively is going to fight with IMVU and the other 403 startup companies doing the same fucking thing. And sucking up tons of venture capital (really, read the Virtual Worlds Weekly I'm sure most of you get spammed in your inbox. At least 100 million in funding is sucked into virtual worlds every week)

None of them, none of them COMBINED, comes close to SL's feature set.

Annika Bekkers · 07-08-2008, 07:45 PM

I'm not too impressed. Just cuz its Google doesnt mean its going to be automatically successful. They've got their share of duds too.

My own bet for truly "disruptive platform" and SL-killer is going to be Metaplace. Just you wait.

**Eboni Khan** · 07-08-2008, 07:47 PM

SL feature set is widely under utilized by the average user. The majority of users want to look cute and find people to hook up with. You can do that anywhere, once something gets a large enough following those people will jump.

The main lure of SL is that you can make money, but that won't last forever.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 07-08-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Annika Bekkers

My own bet for truly "disruptive platform" and SL-killer is going to be Metaplace. Just you wait.

lawl.

Their alpha demo thing is basically The Palace, which was created in like 1996.

Yes, it's embeddable in your Myspace. Yes, theoretically you can make content (in Maya, so pony up the lewtz please), but externally. Or you can program it. In which case... why not just make your own Flash app?

I am very cynical.

jauani · 07-08-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Love

Why do you say that? Isn't it possible it can evolve? Didn't SL evolve?

user content creation is an integral part of sl from the very beginning. sl is built around that "functionality."

quotes for obvious reasons.

Tess Whitcroft · 07-08-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

Embedding something which doesn't work on your Myspace is not going to be a big draw, I foresee. Even if it does work it will be a big bandwidth drain for any visitor and they will want some sort of blocking plugin.

Honestly, nobody cares about Seesmic either, apart from the vlogging crowd, and even they have gone off the idea.

My goodness. Who peed in your Wheaties Mr. Negativity? Seesmic is still in alpha and yet have scaled to over 300,000 posts in a month with nary a quaver. Lively seems to have been set loose a bit early but Google has a pretty solid reputation and it will doubtless get much better. And have you seen the nonsense most people put on their MySpace/Facebook profiles. They will fall all over themselves to have the blingyest 3d Lively rooms possible.

Tess

**Mourna Biziou** · 07-08-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

lawl.

Their alpha demo thing is basically The Palace, which was created in like 1996.

I love that you mentioned Palace.

I used to Palace.

Bree Giffen · 07-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Kind of hard to get into. I went to an empty island. Hmmm. That's what I do in SL when I have troubles.

Quiplash · 07-08-2008, 07:56 PM

At first glance, this reminds me A LOT of the German virtual world, Twinity. It's got the same look-and-feel, and it is centered on rooms, not islands.

And I want that "evil laugh" animation...

**Cristiano** · 07-08-2008, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

Embedding something which doesn't work on your Myspace is not going to be a big draw, I foresee. Even if it does work it will be a big bandwidth drain for any visitor and they will want some sort of blocking plugin.

Honestly, nobody cares about Seesmic either, apart from the vlogging crowd, and even they have gone off the idea.

If they do what is done with Youtube videos, where you interact with it to get it to start, then embedding won't be a huge bandwidth suck for visitors on pages anymoreso than Youtube videos are. I definitely think it does have some major potential if they improve it somewhat. I would definitely not underestimate Google on this one. It serves a different market than SL, honestly, but it is interesting to see what it could become.

Ordinal Malaprop · 07-08-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tess Whitcroft

There is a large body of Second Life participants that are mostly visitors. They don't own land and don't build anything but some do spend money to express themselves in their avaters. There is another group that has their 512m or 1024m plots of land and express themselves on those. They spend more money and have a 3d environment in which to express themselves.

Lively could appeal to those groups. They could have their own 3d rooms on their MySpace/Facebook pages that their friends could visit. They could express themselves in their avatars and the 3d spaces that are their Lively rooms. Once the application is stable, the content creators set loose and the viral nature of an embeddable application takes hold this could be very big and put a serious dent in the more causal Second Life visitors.

Tess

Well, Lively could appeal to those groups if it had more than about three items of clothing per slot, allowed customisation of things like av shape and hair colour, and, well, _worked_. I have more options on my WeeMee and mysteriously those don't seem to have taken over the universe.

Ordinal Malaprop · 07-08-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristiano

If they do what is done with Youtube videos, where you interact with it to get it to start, then embedding won't be a huge bandwidth suck for visitors on pages anymoreso than Youtube videos are. I definitely think it does have some major potential if they improve it somewhat. I would definitely not underestimate Google on this one. It serves a different market than SL, honestly, but it is interesting to see what it could become.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, it becomes, certainly.

However, at the moment, it is crap.

jauani · 07-08-2008, 08:00 PM

troy, user created content is what makes sl so vibrant and full of diverse interest groups. sl is the only game where the deviant world of donkey humpers, mysogonist slave traders, and pedopheliacs crosses over with the geek world of dungeons and dragons and starwars living next door to puff daddy and barbie. sl users are almost equally men and women and the age range is dramatic. sl is more diverse than rl (as long as you neglect poor people who can't afford sl from the equation, but that's ok because poor people are neglected in rl too).

sl has it's problems. yes, it's a paid beta. i gladly pay my tier to support this paid beta, however, because it's the best show in town!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy Vogel

You're speaking for 1000 users who want to make stuff... what about the millions who just want to use it?

Don't be so smug just yet....

SL truly sucks for people who want to play and socialize, it really does. Everytime I do an SL workshop to train our faculty to use SL, I see this over and over. The UI could not be worse....And many of the things we've accepted through years of use make zero sense:

SIT to ride a vehicle like a Segway?
or Worse have to WEAR a vehicle?
Stand Up button's location makes no sense
Chat button has no text
Communicate button? like what's that??? as opposed to chat?

Overly complex fragmented, strange search and its categories...

What's up with PICKS of a person displaying when you search for their name in the new search? Why is that so important?

the list goes on. If you look at SL from an outsider's point of view, half the functionality, and half the UI makes no sense.

The orientation island is terrible, worse than ever because they did not update it when the UI changed in one of the recent updates.

One of my students kept trying to hula on the orientation island but he could not find the hula animation in his inventory or activated gestures list.

....

I will stop now. My message? We're screwed in terms of new non-content authoring users....

One thing on our side is the strange anime look of the avatars in Google's brave new world.

Tess Whitcroft · 07-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristiano

If they do what is done with Youtube videos, where you interact with it to get it to start, then embedding won't be a huge bandwidth suck for visitors on pages anymoreso than Youtube videos are. I definitely think it does have some major potential if they improve it somewhat. I would definitely not underestimate Google on this one. It serves a different market than SL, honestly, but it is interesting to see what it could become.

Scary question Cristiano? Can aps be embedded in posts here at SLUniverse?

Tess

**Cristiano** · 07-08-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ordinal Malaprop

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, it becomes, certainly.

However, at the moment, it is crap.

I am curious why you are so overwhelmingly negative about it? I spent some time in it and actually enjoyed it and was impressed with its potential. It has flaws, but I'm sorry, it is not crap. It is not trying to be an SL killer by any means, but it is an impressive effort and is a BETA. I look forward to seeing what they do with it.

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Eboni Khan Senior Member SLU Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 03/17/2004	I currently have Cris trapped in my little Lively apt watching my favorite drag queens on youtube. So I am loving this right now __________________

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Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living Buy my prefabs! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,283 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 5 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 17^th Awards: 1	Going for the Myspace angle seems pretty doomed, too. Myspace's "ooh shiny" is long gone, everyone's currently on Facebook. But in a few years we'll be all looking at some other social network. These sites are ephemeral (right word?), and basing your business plan on 'em is stupid. Lively is going to fight with IMVU and the other 403 startup companies doing the same fucking thing. And sucking up tons of venture capital (really, read the Virtual Worlds Weekly I'm sure most of you get spammed in your inbox. At least 100 million in funding is sucked into virtual worlds every week) None of them, none of them COMBINED, comes close to SL's feature set. __________________ http://www.lordfly.com/

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armozel Androgynous Android Living free and rational Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 816 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2005/6 (Had another older account, lost due to forgetting name...) Blog Entries: 4	I'm unimpressed with it so far. Even Imvu works better than this pile of dung.

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Annika Bekkers Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 47 My Mood:	I'm not too impressed. Just cuz its Google doesnt mean its going to be automatically successful. They've got their share of duds too. My own bet for truly "disruptive platform" and SL-killer is going to be Metaplace. Just you wait.

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Eboni Khan Senior Member SLU Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 03/17/2004	SL feature set is widely under utilized by the average user. The majority of users want to look cute and find people to hook up with. You can do that anywhere, once something gets a large enough following those people will jump. The main lure of SL is that you can make money, but that won't last forever.

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Quiplash aka Dances With Skulls Going, going... Goth! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: in a box under the freeway Posts: 1,082 My Mood:	At first glance, this reminds me A LOT of the German virtual world, Twinity. It's got the same look-and-feel, and it is centered on rooms, not islands. And I want that "evil laugh" animation...

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