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Old 05-17-2018, 07:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Best Parcel Settings for Anti-Griefing?

I have been reading some info about what are the best "About Land" - Options settings for a 1024 m sized plot on the mainland. I read conflicting advice so I would like some of your best advice and experiences for preventing a griefer from attacking or doing damage on a private plot. Should all my settings be checked for Group only? etc. Thank you for your advice.
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I have been reading some info about what are the best "About Land" - Options settings for a 1024 m sized plot on the mainland. I read conflicting advice so I would like some of your best advice and experiences for preventing a griefer from attacking or doing damage on a private plot. Should all my settings be checked for Group only? etc. Thank you for your advice.
Don't bother about making scripts group only. Let anyone run scripts. There's a way -- by LL's design -- of keeping scripts running in no script parcels, so AOs and vehicles don't get broken, and griefers know about it as well does anyone else who can write a script of any complexity. So all you'll do if you turn them off is break innocent but badly-written scripts.

The important ones to restrict are the ability to rez objects and the ability of objects to enter the parcel. They should be restricted to group or owner only.

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My advice would be not to sweat it. I've owned multiple mainland parcels, in different sims and across different continents over the years. I can count on one hand, with fingers to spare, the number of times I've had to deal with griefing. I've had to deal with more griefer activity admining for an rp sim, than I've ever had to deal with on the mainland, and I currently operate a mainland public venue, one sim away from an infohub.

Really, don't bother. If you're unlucky and you do get griefed, just add the names to the parcel ban list and move on. Don't even bother to engage that'll just encourage them returning on alts. If you ban, ignore and get on with things they'll get bored and run off. Apart from maybe reporting them (which I'd only do if the griefing involved some kind of bigotry or somesuch), stick to that. Proactive defences aren't worth it.
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If griefing isn't an existing problem you're having I like:
  • No object entry. (Piloted objects will still operate.) This helps slow down the mobile grief prim rezzers. Not foolproof but it handles stray bullets.
  • Auto return. 5 mins for a shop. I use 6 hours at home.
These are friendly settings.
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Group only access will create ban lines for non group members I believe. Evennif public access is also checked.

Personally, I prefer a 5 minite or so rez ability, because it feel polite.

But then I also made a rez zone doc on my parcel.
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I've had open build, public entry, no return time on my mainland plot for over 2 years, and I've never seen anything left there from strangers.

I guess those are good settings.

If you have a greifing problem, do no object entry and disable build.

Always keep public access on, your neighbors will thank you for not making red ban lines.
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These are friendly settings.
Well if we're talking that minimal, checkmark "Safe" and "No Pushing" too.
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Well if we're talking that minimal, checkmark "Safe" and "No Pushing" too.
*checks* Ha, I left pushing on. But no damage, ya.
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I've had open build, public entry, no return time on my mainland plot for over 2 years, and I've never seen anything left there from strangers.

I guess those are good settings.

If you have a greifing problem, do no object entry and disable build.

Always keep public access on, your neighbors will thank you for not making red ban lines.
The main thing with open build, ocasionally you will want to go in and return anything not owned by you (or group).

(I realize you probably know this Adeon )
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Thanks for all opinions so far.
I was griefed last night by fast rezzing ball prims lol and after the amusement at first wore off it became a bore so I went elsewhere and all was gone this morning.
I am only afraid of those instances when all your belongings get returned to you etc.
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I am only afraid of those instances when all your belongings get returned to you etc.
Unless there's a bug I'm not aware of, I can't think of any way a griefer can return your belongings to you, unless you've made them a member of your group. I think you're safe there.
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Don't sweat it... See auto return to whatever you want, and as long as you don't provoke someone, all you'll have to deal with will be random replicating crud, and LL will usually mop that up before you log in.
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I think you're grossly overestimating the actual amount of griefing you can reasonably expect living on the mainland - unless you've made yourself a target in which case there are no settings to protect you from a sufficiently determined griefer. They don't need access to your land to crash the sim, after all.


But with that said, disabling public build and object entry should be good enough. Might want to enable autoreturn too for a good measure. Oh yeah, and disable pushing I guess.


I'd be more concerned about neighbors eating up all the script time if I were you!
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A couple years ago, I thought 'eh, nothing will happen' about leaving build on with no autoreturn. I didn't log in for a couple of weeks, and came back to a full-blown sex club on my land. After I banned them all, one of them IM'd me anxiously asking why she couldn't get back in.
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What about this severity of griefing that I have gotten from a log?

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Oh god I just got attacked and hacked, this person bypassed even my estate owner's powers, and it took three Chung Rental Agents and Jessica Chung herself to remove. They turned off rez for me, turned on object entry turned on push and undeeded land from my group without a single right or access to my group itself. ℛʊɮყ Яσѕϵ Яαvεηhεαrʇ (camcat98) even followed me home and rezzed some strange prim that changed the land rights of Jessica Chung herself

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...192&height=671

First the prims shot to 0 then all my and my neighbors land was undeeded, then object entry was turned on region wide, and Jessica Chung the region owner even couldn't fix it withut higher ups from LL, then we got attacked by someone named demongodess123 on several sims without map rights even. Can someone get Mindy, we need to put security measures in place?
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... a 1024 m sized plot on the mainland.
If this is just a private residence, unless you have "enemies", you don't really need to do anything. On all my parcels I leave everything wide-open except a tight auto-return, often 1 minute. (It's not an anti-griefing measure, but I also turn off damage because it's lame.)

On the other hand, if you're running a club on your 1024, or otherwise need to protect visitors of unknown repute, you may want to be more aggressive. I'd probably turn off build, object entry, and pushing, leaving them enabled just for group.

The scripts setting is tricky. It can be useful to disable scripts during an attack of self-replicating objects, but its main effect is to frustrate visitors who change scripted attachments while on the land; so, unless the place is crawling with low-lifes, it's better to let everybody run scripts except during a specific kind of attack.
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The main thing with open build, ocasionally you will want to go in and return anything not owned by you (or group).

(I realize you probably know this Adeon )
These days you can have scripts do it. i can even return stuff per person by email !
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All my mainland is open build, 6 hour return. I've had to turn off build once (in 12 years) when someone was engaged in a sustained griefing campaign using re-rezzing objects.
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I've got protected Linden sea in the sim to the front of my mainland plot and Linden water Route adjacent to me. I just have a little dock on the water surface and some sea floor clutter for submariners and divers to look at and I leave build on so people can rez a boat on my parcel and sail away onto the no-build Linden water. Auto return is on and no push. Otherwise I leave the settings alone.
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What about this severity of griefing that I have gotten from a log?
I'm just going to say that for some of us, Anshe Chung is a known griefer. She doesn't do the griefing herself. Her goons do that for her. If she wants your land, she will send in the goons to grief you off it. It works with a lot of people. It didn't work with us. At the time, we owned most of the edge of the world mainland sim she wanted. The only way to stop the griefing was to sell. To her largest competitor.
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What about this severity of griefing that I have gotten from a log?
That sounds like someone got hold of the poster's password, or an estate manager password, and logged in as them to mess them up.

There's obviously nothing you can do in "land settings" to stop that.
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Thanks everyone for great advice. Thanx Argent Stonecutter, I was at your mainland sim the other day and remembered your name from the store.
My land is just my home so I turned off horrible ban lines, gave 15 min auto return with all other rights besides terraforming etc. I feel secure knowing not much serious stuff can happen if you ignore them. etc
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I'm just going to say that for some of us, Anshe Chung is a known griefer. She doesn't do the griefing herself. Her goons do that for her. If she wants your land, she will send in the goons to grief you off it. It works with a lot of people. It didn't work with us. At the time, we owned most of the edge of the world mainland sim she wanted. The only way to stop the griefing was to sell. To her largest competitor.
Oh, I had no idea what was going on other than it sounded like a serious security breach happening when I first saw the log in a notecard when it was first given to me. Since I only pay rent for a homestead sim that is not a part of Chung territory, it panicked me enough to contact the Estate Owner and a couple Estate Managers about it which even though the Estate Owner was not concerned about it since she can just contact LL to fix things and have their asses banned, the two Estate Managers (one of them a good friend of mine) thanked me for bringing it to their attention.

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That sounds like someone got hold of the poster's password, or an estate manager password, and logged in as them to mess them up.

There's obviously nothing you can do in "land settings" to stop that.
The way you put it sounds like an account being hijacked that could be due to a poor choice in password, which I hope is not happening on these forums with a malware infestation that is about to happen here.
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The way you put it sounds like an account being hijacked that could be due to a poor choice in password, which I hope is not happening on these forums with a malware infestation that is about to happen here.
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