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Joshua Nightshade

I guess it is him.

Hi shitface.

Lucifer Baphomet

Eat it cougar boi..

some of us can seperate fantasy from reality, as I remember you couldn't.

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Joshua Nightshade

Yeah amusing that he would pull that one.

Cinos

So how does it feel to hate everything? You'll have share that feeling with me someday. Preferrably one very distant.

Anyway, you can make a new thread obsessing about me, let's try keeping this one on track.

Joshua Nightshade

Oh no.

No no no.

Alexa Lioncourt

Sorry to burst your bubble, boy with the spirit of a cougar or whatever the hell it was, but Josh doesn't hate everything. You were the one that went out in a blaze of glory seldom to be matched... You were the one going on about how you really were a cougar forced into a human form... I doubt Josh would spend the time hating you - he'd much more laugh his ass off at you. I hope you are your spirit mother are doing as well as ever

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Alexa

Troy Vogel

This thread proves the following:
1-with this crowd, one can never win everyone's heart
2-even if you're a winner today, it does not mean you will be spared from the bonfire tomorrow
3-99L is a lot of money to spend for entering an original well-built rezzable sim -- a sad statement for the rest of us losers who're still building mediocre things.
4-A thread can dig up any and every piece of dirt, grudge, question and or confusion related or unrelated to the subject in discussion or participants discussing.
5-Be careful about changing your avatar name, it can create a backlash -- it did for Prince for example.
6-It is lonely and cold up there at the top... but the view is surely breathtaking if you turn up your draw distance to 300 meters.

:-)

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Natalie P.

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"Here I am once more in this scene of dissipation and vice, and I begin already to find my morals corrupted." - Jane Austen

Validate me, dammit!

Penny Patton

I don't believe 99L is a lot. I'd originally heard it was something like L$200, which is close to the full starting amount one receives when attaching a payment method to their account (if that's even still done anymore?). I suspect 99L will be a lot better recieved, there's a common mentality that creates that huge gap between 99L and L$100. You see the same thing in real world pricing. That's why things frequently cost $2.99 rather than $3.00.

Still, I can certainly see why some would consider it a lot, and yes it really is a sad statement. I think I posted this earlier, but what we can do in SL is just so incredibly limited. Most of the very best sims still only amount to statues you can crawl around in.

Greenies, as absolutely wonderful as it is, is still a crudely modeled, static environment. The rides in The Carnival of Doom are pretty crude, too, from the standpoint of anyone not resigned to the limitations of SL. Like most of SL, the fun you get out of these places is pretty much the fun you bring into them yourself.

I think requiring a small admission fee is a very acceptable way of generating income to pay for a sim, sims are expensive and you can't pay tier on talent and happy thoughts alone (I've tried!), I'm just not certain how well it will work with both the limitations of SL, and the inflated value people place on the L$.

Intentional or not, Linden Lab has made it really difficult for anyone wishing to use SL for creative endeavours who doesn't have oodles of cash to throw at tier, just by overlooking and neglecting very basic creation tools which should have been addressed ages ago.

Lexxi Gynoid

I understand there is a reason, but sometimes I just refuse to buy something that costs 2.99 (or 299) instead of 3.00, or 300. That . . really annoys me greatly. Putting the price at 2.99, or like at gas stations putting it at 4.45(9/10). I actually have some half cent coins in my collection, but they are worth a lot more than $0.005 in todays money, so I've never slapped a half cent on the counter and demanded that they do not round up (might have changed since I last looked, but everything USA puts out is still legal tender except for gold coins, and I am not sure about gold coins).

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Cocoanut Koala

Well, Black Swan is on the Showcase now.

What Rezzable wants, Rezzable gets. The Showcase is for people like this.

We need to all do our parts, and give Rezzable our money.

coco

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ARABIAN NIGHTS by Shagz Anubis

Cocoanut Koala

I think that works mainly only if you are on Showcase.

coco

Troy Vogel

Hehe one time, Barnesworth Anubis made me walk through my entire store and change every price until everything was nice and even numbers instead of the 299L pricing I had.

He was mean to me but it felt good, I liked it.

Beebo Brink

Having visited the Greenies sim, I would happily pay 99L to visit it again. I would probably even pay the L$200 for a pass of more than one visit, just on the off chance I wanted to go yet again or show it to a friend.

But that's because I have alread been there and loved it. The only reason I went there the first time was because Coyote insisted and took me there personally. Without that level of urging, I probably would have given it a pass simply because there are sooo many wonderful places to visit in SL and I just don't have time as it is.

It's not that I'm unwilling to financially support great builds; it's that I won't know they're that great until AFTER I've walked through the door, not before.

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Decadent

Speaking of Rezzable, I'm terribly upset that I was one day late in being able to buy the black swan dress from the Black Swan sim. Now it's gone (forever, as far as I know).

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Some day we will look back on all this, laugh nervously and quickly change the subject.

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Tears stream down your face
When you lose something you cannot replace
Tears stream down your face
And I..

Lights will guide you home
And ignite your bones
And I will try to fix you.

Cocoanut Koala

I loved Greenies, too. However, I won't be going again. They already receive the Spotlight subsidy; I see no point in any of us funneling any more of our money in Rezzable's direction.

coco

Isablan Neva

Now, I have to totally disagree with this. There is a really damned limited number of places where someone with no formal art training, no graphics or 3D background and zero experience of digital content creation can sit in a sandbox and -- for free -- teach themselves using the SL tools. Sure, to reach the top echelons of SL content creation you really do need some outside software that costs a bit of money, but ANYONE can park their butt in a sandbox and start slinging prims or scripting for free. I don't see how the content creation tools could possibly be any more basic than they already are. It would certainly be nice to have some more functionality as your skills begin to stretch past what SL can do, but otherwise you really can't do a whole lot better than SL when it comes to "basics." What other 3D modeling program can a total newbie pick up and be creating a chair within a hour?

I also disagree it isn't easy for people to use SL for creative endeavors. Content has to be hosted, whether it is a web site, photo, music, or whatever. The places that will host content for free almost always involve that service being paid for by advertising. Since the advertiser sponsored model isn't really functional in SL, tier on large creative projects has be privately funded unless the project can support itself through sales. I will certainly agree that the $295 tier rate is outrageous, but even when tier on a sim was $195 it was still a large hurdle to overcome. But then again, not everybody has a creative vision that can span an entire sim (or several.)

Nobody is stopping anyone from creating in SL, it's when you want to park those items someplace where they will persist that needs to be paid for. You mentioned Greenies as being too static of an environment, but that isn't the fault of SL, that is the fault of the creator of that project. There are plenty of creative projects in SL that feature all sorts of interaction; lack of interactivity was a choice made by the creator of the sim.

Cocoanut Koala

Well, LL thinks it is impartial. Amazingly.

Truth is, NO one could "impartially" pick out a handful of stores and other places to send residents to, and have that not be anything but way out of scale, way arbitrary, and way full of problems regarding favoritism. And definitely not free from influence from those who wish to be on the list.

You just can't pick a few hair stores out of hundreds and think that is some sort of "impartial" thing and tout them as the best, because they simply will not be "the best" - there really is no such thing. And if you try, it means those lucky hair stores will get all the business. They get free advertising and promotion, the likes of which is just an incredible windfall. And it isn't because they are the best, or the most deserving.

If the goal is to provide an easy-access list of fun and/or interesting things to do (assuming that is a must-have thing), the idea many of us were pushing is to put only non-commercial venues on the list.

A place that is fun and interesting - such as Greenies - could still make the list, simply by moving their commercial store part to a different parcel. Even a different parcel of the same sim. Even with a notecard saying that things can be bought at this other location. That wouldn't be too much of an onus on anyone. Greenies itself - the part that LL is sending people to - would be a separate non-commercial destination, serving to entertain residents.

Or they can get themselves on Spotlight, charge to enter, and rake in the bucks.

And Greenies is just one of the IFFY cases. I totally fail to see any reason at all why residents should be directed to particular hair or fashion store over the others.

In my opinion, the resident IS well-served being directed to Greenies, and to similar places - if you must direct residents anywhere - as long as the place isn't a store. Rezzable is well-served when the Lindens direct people to their stores, or to their pay-to-enter venues.

The resident is not well-served to be directed to one hair, fashion, or furniture store over another. Those aren't even "fun" or "interesting" experiences. In fact, the resident is rather ill-served, since such an endorsement and promotion indicates there is something wonderful and special about those stores compared to others, and there isn't.

The resident would not be well-served to be directed to Coco's Cottages, either. There is nothing about Coco's Cottages which makes it special compared to all the other wonderful, equally-deserving house stores. To arrive at a house store, all you have to do is put "houses" into search, and voila - there is your shopping experience.

And how about the residents who run stores? They are residents,too. They certainly are not well served by the Lindens directing sending all the customers to their competition.

The real question is WHY. Why are they doing this. I don't buy that it is because they simply must have something to keep residents (who apparently can't use search) from being bored and leaving.

coco

Isablan Neva

It actually makes perfect sense and is one of the more sensible things LL has done lately. Any one who spends time working with new residents will tell you that almost every single one of them asks "what do I do next?" or "what do I do here?"

When you only barely understand what the hell this Second Life thing is that you've just signed up for, you have no idea where to even begin searching for things to do. Back when Pathfinder was doing his lists those suckers were invaluable to helpers because you could drop notecards full of groovy things for a new resident to go check out.

Popular places is a joke and gamed to hell, so how does somebody right off the bus even figure out where to start exploring SL?

You are right that dropping people right into someone's store is not kosher; not only is it favoritism but it sends the wrong message to a new sign-up and perpetuates the stereotype that SL is just a big Ponzi scheme waiting to take your wallet.

What SL really needs is a social director for newbies. Failing that, this may just be the next best option.