SLUniverse Forums

Briana Dawson · 07-03-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

I don't think 199 l is that much personally. I paid for myself and my friend. It does make more sense to have a smaller one time entry fee though. Black swan doesn't seem like the kind of place youd go to hang out, or visit repeatedly. Smaller one time payments would be better.

$500

Cocoanut Koala · 07-03-2008, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Wow, how assy.

And arrogant.

I was kindof intrigued when I got wind of the NPIRL Gardens of blah blah thing and visited. Then I did some digging into the Not Possible IRL group and remembered where I recognized the name of the group owner, who was some really nasty individual who only adds and pimps up her friends or those who lick her ass.

A group that seeks to educate and promote really creative things in SL is fantastic. A closed-invite group that does that only via who you're friends with which has a vetting cabinet for who gets into the group sounds like a bunch of cliquish elitist jerks.

Now there are people involved in NPIRL that I really admire and enjoy, like Ordinal, but when I asked my friends how I get involved most of them were like "Don't bother, it's only her friends."

OK, so NPIRL IS a closed group, like I was asking about earlier?

And the one you can join is just their "fan club?"

And it's not really the anyone-can-join thing I was told it was?

That was the vibe I had in the first place. So.

Best they manage to soldier on without people who might not fit in.

coco

Joshua Nightshade · 07-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Yes, there's an open invitation group. But that's the groupies-group. The NPIRL one is closed to invites only from the group owner.

Cocoanut Koala · 07-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natalie P.

I wonder if they'll institute the charge for some sims and not others. Black Swan and Greenies I can see, because they're more tourist attractions, for want of a better term, though I don't think there is any sim so fantastic I'd pay 199L to have access to. I'm cheap in both lives, after all. But the Surfline sims? I love them, and hang out there frequently, just relaxing while I IM or the like. Ain't no way I'm paying to have the privilege to park my av some place pretty.

Oh, they're gonna charge to see Greenies? (Guess those items they sell haven't done so hot?)

They can have Greenies, then. I'll just stop recommending it to people. As of . . . oh, this minute will be fine.

Plus - correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't LL doing their part by pimping them for free?

All the more reason to start charging, I guess! LL shovels them in; Rezzable picks their pocket!

See, it all works out really nice that way. You scratcha da my back, and I scratcha da yours, and dat fella over dere, he pay for it all.

Works out even better if there are actual Lindens in groups like Rezzable, pimping their own alt businesses for free on the Spotlight.

Hey! I'm not complaining! That's what I live for, right? To make Lindens and their buddies rich?

Why, it is our patriotic duty to enrich those people the Lindens think we should, and patronize the stores the Lindens pick out for us, isn't it?

What, you didn't think this was a free market or anything, did you? OMG, surely you didn't expect anything fair! What do you think this is, a democracy, or a responsible company, or something?

I'm even thinking about putting them in my will, I am. LL and all the private businesses they pimp for with free advertising and promotion.

IT IS ONLY RIGHT.

omg I am so gwateful the windens wet me give them tier evewy month and give us this wonnaful oppoetunity to work our butts to widdle nubs so they can give the search and pwofits to those more DESOHVING! and oh pwease just wet me woship at wezzable feet! takes my money PWEASE it is only wight. this we know cause the windens tells us so

coco

Penny Patton · 07-03-2008, 11:11 PM

I dunno that I think (not yet at least) that there's anything sketchy about what they're doing here. They need to pay for the sims, and if they're really trying to be a business they need to pay the talent, somehow right? I just think they're going about it in a way that isn't likely to end well for them.

I mean, if I understand what they're trying to do here, it really seems like something some company that doesn't understand SL would try, shortly before declaring failure and that there is no money to be made in SL.

Which is really kinda frustrating, because there's no reason for them not to be doing pretty decently for themselves, if they were playing their cards right.

CaleVinson · 07-04-2008, 12:10 AM

For me, there's two separate aspects to this.

The first is the practical one - will Rezzable succeed in what they're currently doing? There I tend to agree with the comments of Beebo, Cristiano, and others, that the current model is flawed, they should go for smaller but volume payements, etc.

The second is a more theoretical one that (not entirely surprisingly

) interests me more.

There are a lot of places to shop in SL. God knows I love shopping, but I'd like to do other things as well. But there's a big problem there I think. Penny is clearly a kindred-spirit when she points out the reality that the SL architecture provides very little support for the creation of compelling immersive experiences. She describes the Greenies as "a statue". My, perhaps entirely crazed

, description of SL is that its the worlds largest movie set - things can look great in a screenshot, but the buildings have no (immersive) sides or backs to them.

That said, although the scope is very limited, I don't think its 100% impossible to come up with fun "experiences" in SL.

As an example, just as a conversation-starter rather than a concrete proposal, how about a parcel setup to support something along the lines of those Murder-Mystery-Dinner-Party thingies? You'd miss a lot from the RL experience (the food and drink for one thing), but SL could provide some great props. You could actually walk through the gothic old mansion, lightning flashing, and be the first to discover the body in the library (with the bloodied candlestick

). Once the basic infrastructure was in place, you could write a new scenario every month or so, without having to do masses of new art/script creation.

It would just seem incredibly sad to me if the only practical SL business model was selling "stuff". In RL I'm willing to pay to see a stunning garden or a gallery of art ....

Chalice Yao · 07-04-2008, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winter Ventura

to sims I've never been to, and have no apparent interest in seeing...

You've been missing something there. Lots of the Rezzable sims are awesome, but I wouldn't pay in order to -visit- a sim.

Cailyn Miller · 07-04-2008, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexxi Gynoid

Edit: Never mind, I remember now that the Vampire one added clothing for sale venders plastered all over the place. I had forgotten that. I hated the plastered look, and so blocked that from my mind.

I watched Jimmy create Crimson pretty much from scratch - for him it was a labour of love and we both poured time and energy into the place. We've both pretty much vanished from SL (for seperate reasons) but it breaks my heart to hear that the place that was once my home is now a glorified store. Oh well.

/me wonders if i'll get charged to teleport home if i ever log in again

Peter Stindberg · 07-04-2008, 04:01 AM

Crimson Shadows *is* wonderful. I haven't been there in a while - last time I visited there was a clearly defined shop area with nice (though overpriced) items. I met Jimmy once and was able to complement on the work. As I wrote in my initial blog post that started this thread, I certainly would not pay a cover charge to visit a shop though.

Lexxi Gynoid · 07-04-2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailyn Miller

I watched Jimmy create Crimson pretty much from scratch - for him it was a labour of love and we both poured time and energy into the place. We've both pretty much vanished from SL (for seperate reasons) but it breaks my heart to hear that the place that was once my home is now a glorified store. Oh well.

/me wonders if i'll get charged to teleport home if i ever log in again

I rather liked the place, and loved taking pictures in that pathway area, the um . . what was that called . . . gah. The path to hell or whatever that was called.

Oh, and I loved taking a picture in that giant torch thingie, turning myself into a giant fire, but that is gone now.

The "store" area isn't all over, but I do not see it as a clearly defined separate place, because the area the "store" is in is just the alcoves of the castle, the corners, that was previously empty of sale boards.

Briana Dawson · 07-05-2008, 03:29 PM

I have to pay for Rezzable access.

The rezzable crew has removed their sculptures and things from SLX so if you want to purchase stuff you have to go to the sim.

Ran Garrigus · 07-05-2008, 05:18 PM

It seems a rather dangerous route to go, removing access to everything on SLX. How are people going to learn about them? Word of mouth seems the plan, and I'm not sure how likely that is to sustain a relatively large business in SL.

Walker Moore · 07-05-2008, 05:24 PM

I thought of Rezzable when I came across this newspaper story earlier...

..until I realised it gave you your money back anyhows.

Lordfly Digeridoo · 07-05-2008, 05:35 PM

Sadly, creatives gotta eat, and it looks like Rezzable might be extremely creatives top-heavy.

They would have done much better doing franchising or consolidating into a single sim and selling amazing items, or something.

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-05-2008, 05:36 PM

removing things from slex is stupid.

Troy Vogel · 07-05-2008, 06:37 PM

I would pay to visit their sims.... wouldnt you?

They should do a Club Rezzable, like Club Med where you join a group say for 5000 lindens and get a free pass to all their sims for lifetime.... or something.

Cocoanut Koala · 07-05-2008, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

I have to pay for Rezzable access.

The rezzable crew has removed their sculptures and things from SLX so if you want to purchase stuff you have to go to the sim.

Pay money to enter their land to purchase things from their shop?

I don't think so.

coco

Beezle Warburton · 07-05-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Pay money to enter their land to purchase things from their shop?

I don't think so.

coco

You do know that it's only one of their sims that they're running this on as an experiment?

Beebo Brink · 07-05-2008, 06:57 PM

I think the pay model is workable, I just don't think they've hit on the right forumula. A combination of one-time micro-payments for the idly curious, and a higher payment for multiple visits for the support-the-arts crowd would be more likely to capture disparate markets.

Cocoanut Koala · 07-05-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beezle Warburton

You do know that it's only one of their sims that they're running this on as an experiment?

No, I didn't know that.

coco

07-05-2008, 05:18 PM	#62 (permalink)
Ran Garrigus Weirdo in a Weird Land Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 213	It seems a rather dangerous route to go, removing access to everything on SLX. How are people going to learn about them? Word of mouth seems the plan, and I'm not sure how likely that is to sustain a relatively large business in SL. __________________ Old Fashioned -- Occasional SL fashion reviews.

07-05-2008, 05:35 PM	#64 (permalink)
Lordfly Digeridoo Grid.Living verf veruuuufffuurrr rufufurrrrr Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,213 SL Join Date: 7/21/2003 Business: Grid.Living XBOX Leaderboard: 12^th SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood: Awards: 1	Sadly, creatives gotta eat, and it looks like Rezzable might be extremely creatives top-heavy. They would have done much better doing franchising or consolidating into a single sim and selling amazing items, or something. __________________ http://www.lordfly.com/wordpress http://www.digeridoodesigns.com/

07-05-2008, 06:37 PM	#66 (permalink)
Troy Vogel Marginal Resident ZOMG Teddy is sore. More lube next time... Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 937 SL Join Date: August 2004 Business: Mission Home Store: A Furniture and Prefab store in the Arts & Crafts Style My Mood:	I would pay to visit their sims.... wouldnt you? They should do a Club Rezzable, like Club Med where you join a group say for 5000 lindens and get a free pass to all their sims for lifetime.... or something. __________________

07-05-2008, 06:57 PM	#69 (permalink)
Beebo Brink Uppity Alt I'm the woman your mother warned you about. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,900 SL Join Date: October 2006 Business: Brazen Women Shapes and Skins SLShopper Ads: 20 My Mood:	I think the pay model is workable, I just don't think they've hit on the right forumula. A combination of one-time micro-payments for the idly curious, and a higher payment for multiple visits for the support-the-arts crowd would be more likely to capture disparate markets. __________________ Browse http://www.BrazenWomen.com

07-03-2008, 09:44 PM	#53 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Yes, there's an open invitation group. But that's the groupies-group. The NPIRL one is closed to invites only from the group owner.

07-03-2008, 11:11 PM	#55 (permalink)
Penny Patton Punk Girl in Space Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 304 SL Join Date: 11/30/2005 My Mood:	I dunno that I think (not yet at least) that there's anything sketchy about what they're doing here. They need to pay for the sims, and if they're really trying to be a business they need to pay the talent, somehow right? I just think they're going about it in a way that isn't likely to end well for them. I mean, if I understand what they're trying to do here, it really seems like something some company that doesn't understand SL would try, shortly before declaring failure and that there is no money to be made in SL. Which is really kinda frustrating, because there's no reason for them not to be doing pretty decently for themselves, if they were playing their cards right.

07-04-2008, 12:10 AM	#56 (permalink)
CaleVinson Hypersonic Absolutist Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 733	For me, there's two separate aspects to this. The first is the practical one - will Rezzable succeed in what they're currently doing? There I tend to agree with the comments of Beebo, Cristiano, and others, that the current model is flawed, they should go for smaller but volume payements, etc. The second is a more theoretical one that (not entirely surprisingly ) interests me more. There are a lot of places to shop in SL. God knows I love shopping, but I'd like to do other things as well. But there's a big problem there I think. Penny is clearly a kindred-spirit when she points out the reality that the SL architecture provides very little support for the creation of compelling immersive experiences. She describes the Greenies as "a statue". My, perhaps entirely crazed , description of SL is that its the worlds largest movie set - things can look great in a screenshot, but the buildings have no (immersive) sides or backs to them. That said, although the scope is very limited, I don't think its 100% impossible to come up with fun "experiences" in SL. As an example, just as a conversation-starter rather than a concrete proposal, how about a parcel setup to support something along the lines of those Murder-Mystery-Dinner-Party thingies? You'd miss a lot from the RL experience (the food and drink for one thing), but SL could provide some great props. You could actually walk through the gothic old mansion, lightning flashing, and be the first to discover the body in the library (with the bloodied candlestick ). Once the basic infrastructure was in place, you could write a new scenario every month or so, without having to do masses of new art/script creation. It would just seem incredibly sad to me if the only practical SL business model was selling "stuff". In RL I'm willing to pay to see a stunning garden or a gallery of art ....

07-04-2008, 04:01 AM	#59 (permalink)
Peter Stindberg Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 13 SL Join Date: October 2006 Business: Babel Translations SLShopper Ads: 3 My Mood:	Crimson Shadows is wonderful. I haven't been there in a while - last time I visited there was a clearly defined shop area with nice (though overpriced) items. I met Jimmy once and was able to complement on the work. As I wrote in my initial blog post that started this thread, I certainly would not pay a cover charge to visit a shop though.

07-05-2008, 03:29 PM	#61 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Senior Member Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,425 SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports My Mood: Awards: 1	I have to pay for Rezzable access. The rezzable crew has removed their sculptures and things from SLX so if you want to purchase stuff you have to go to the sim.

07-05-2008, 05:24 PM	#63 (permalink)
Walker Moore Invisible Man Alpha Inside (tm) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,053 Doom Rider Champion!	I thought of Rezzable when I came across this newspaper story earlier... ..until I realised it gave you your money back anyhows.