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Old 08-04-2017, 08:08 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It won't be double prim but you can get land cheaper in places that aren't as popular like the snow lands. It's not pretty but works for me since I don't leave the cabin when I'm there and put up fake scenes over the windows.
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I've had a premium account for ten years and never regretted it.

Sixty group slots, that's a nice little extra for anyone who shops too much or is in a lot of special interest or roleplay groups.

I've been to quite a few Linden Homes and I think they're a really nice idea too. Every neighbourhood is nice, none of the usual mainland ugliness. Having a building and also full prims to play with is good and you get a landscaped sim which looks decent.

I know a couple of people who use premium sandboxes, I might need them myself at some point and the luxury of no griefers...wonderful.

Those extra few slots in a full sim for premium members. It's like walking past a queue for the January sales.
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I've one of the -old- accounts as a premium, so if I switch to a yearly, I think I make money. Mostly though it accumulates and then covers the slow months when I don't make sales for shop tier.

And you don't have to have a linden home, so you can get a chunk of land that's more moddable.
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Lets see, years sub is $72.

You get L$300 a week back + a one off of L$1,000 in the first years sub.

So, totals L$16,600 for first year, 15,600 for additional years (presuming sub price and stipend stays the same)

At current prices, assuming a fast buy $66.40 gets you L$16,600

So look at it this way, for the first year.

$5.60
512 land rights or a Linden home
60 groups up from 42
More freebies
Premium sims access
More efficient customer support (maybe a placebo but it sure seems faster and more efficent now)

Then, additional years are the same but at $9.60 minus the first years bonus 1K cashback.

I went with mainland, reasonable one off fee of about 5k in nautilus, have both real open road and real water access, grouped with a rl friends 512 to get bonus 1100+ sq and prim.

Additionally, if down the road we were willing to spend more up front fees or a rent to buy deal we could easily grab a double prim piece of land in somewhere like bay city where peoples builds tend to be less of an eyesore, I'm presuming there are restrictions in place there because, its not... idk... weird looking like so many random mainland places or private sims.

I don't think you wasted your $5.60...
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If you want to won more than 512m of land, it's also more efficient to set up alts with premium and pool their land into a group as well.
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There are pros and cons....

My main is a free account. One of my alts is a premium. The reason I did it this way round was a bad experience in the past. My son took over one of my alt accounts which I made into a premium. He has Crohn's disease. He was away from SL for a few months and so was I and I hadn't realised there had been a problem with billing. Everything had gone - his avatar and all its possessions were dust. We got the account back, but none of the contents, and he never felt the same about SL again.

I never wanted to risk my main disappearing the way his had, and so when I chose to go premium, I took one of my much younger alts premium so that I would have access to any special experiences or special gifts etc, but I am never turning my main premium for the above reason.

I joined SL in February 2004, missing the lifetime members' offer by weeks, and I have often thought that there should be something to commemorate longer length resident lives. In the guise of a free account I have been instrumental in a lot of island purchases, have managed land and projects and built a lot of things. I've also bought A LOT of lindens and with that an awful lot of stuff. So it is with many free accounts - they may not pay the monthly ongoing cost, but they do contribute.

I agree with others that the balance between cost and stipend income is very small at $20USD a year approximately, but I caution anyone who is ever likely to have a problem in meeting the monthly cost to switch main to free account and a throwaway alt to premium.
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Double prim, 512, Adult, for 10 K? Is this normal/average price?
Well I admit I have no idea how an adult ratings affects the price of a plot of land, to me that is very underpriced? A lot of it depends on the region and neighboring plots. There are sims with lots of nice builds, and the land will be valued higher. There are also really bad mainland regions with awful script lag or 24/7/365 bot praties, where I would consider even 10K too expensive.

Though I personally consider adult ratings to be a downside. You can still have adult content in moderate, but moderate has rules for not allowing neighbors to posting giant porn billboards facing your plot. So if you also interested in tasteful neighboring ground builds, adult is unpredictable and unregulated. But if your plan is to rez sex toys out on the front lawn instead of behind four walls and a roof or relegated to a sky platform, yes, you need an adult sim.

Anyway, at 19.5L/sqm for doubleprim, yes that's considered a steal. As long as you want adult land and don't mind the neighboring plots. But make sure it really is doubleprim and that the seller is not lying, because for non-doubleprim, that's a ripoff. A 512 sqm double-prim plot should be listed as supporting at least 351 Land Impact.

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>>...did I waste my money?

Yes.


But so what? It's not like sending money to Linden Lab is akin to investing in whale blubber futures, or something.
And better than on hookers and blow.
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So, I just made my 2005 acct premium again
$9.50/mo - $8.60 (L$500*4)
...I can live with that. :3

It might be harder to justify the $40/mo in land use fees tho
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So, I just made my 2005 acct premium again
$9.50/mo - $8.60 (L$500*4)
...I can live with that. :3

It might be harder to justify the $40/mo in land use fees tho
Ok, have to admit... +$40 a month is scary, is it added tier you're doing?
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Ok, have to admit... +$40 a month is scary....


How about $75/mo for land tier for years? That thought should have you cowering under the bed covers.
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How about $75/mo for land tier for years? That thought should have you cowering under the bed covers.
Pretty much but yup, I mean, I get it, you spend what you want on what you enjoy but, don't you all kind of worry it could all just disappear overnight...
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Pretty much but yup, I mean, I get it, you spend what you want on what you enjoy but, don't you all kind of worry it could all just disappear overnight...
Yes/No/Maybe
Mine already has once;


So, from that I have learned not just how to build, but learned to build, period...




So yeah...sic transit virtuae, but if I log in and find the grid's gone away, I always have my builds and my places saved on my desktop...courtesy of OpenSim.

In the meantime, I enjoy the access to people, places and "things" I have with my SL subscription.
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Ok, have to admit... +$40 a month is scary, is it added tier you're doing?
Yeah, that's what I'm paying in tier...though that's on top of ~$80 I'm paying in rentals and $30 for the dedicated server my opensim grid is on

...remembers wistfully when I thought $20/mo would be more than enough for SL
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Pretty much but yup, I mean, I get it, you spend what you want on what you enjoy but, don't you all kind of worry it could all just disappear overnight...
All potential entertainment expenditures have a finite value. Second Life may disappear tomorrow, and the money I've spent on will be lost. But if I go to the movies or a play, I only get to watch once. If I buy a book, or a DVD, or a game on Steam, I can, in theory, enjoy those things uncountable times, but in reality, there are only so many reads, watches, plays out of which I'll get enjoyment. You could say "well what about saving up for a trip?" Once again though, that only lasts for a set time. All that's left eventually are the memories and the photos and videos; I have memories and photos of my time in Second Life too.

Assuming Beebo is only spending happiness money, and not money she needs for, shelter, etc. What does it matter if how big her SL expenditure is? If she weren't spending it on SL, she'd be spending it on books or going to the theatre, or on a holiday to Timbuktoo and just like Second Life, all those things are fleeting too.
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Han has the right idea. Yeah it could all go away, but anything you make yourself can easily be exported to OpenSIM, which I imagine will continue on, more popular then ever, run by the die hards, quite a while after LL eventually kills SL.
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Could I afford what I've spend last month?
Was it worth the money?
If the two questions are answered with a yes, I will continue.
If one of them is a no, then: "See you later SL".
I'm no longer addicted to the platform, so I can stop without much pain anytime, whether if I pull the plug or LL.
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I have two premiums and I rarely log in but refuse to get rid of them because unlike Beebo, I let my stipend sit then go on a major shopping spree a few times a year. I keep one mainland plot for myself then donate the other's tier to the Shelter still.

When I was logging in consistently, I liked that I got money each week and kept me from putting much money in (and considering I enjoy shopping in world wwaaayyyy more then I do in the real world......it's really helped my RL budget )
About the same. I do not log in much but aside from the free tier there is the fact that one of my 2 premiums gets the 500L. I have more than enough pairs of jeans and what not to last (even after accidentally deleting almost all my faves) so I make a few small purchases and then go wild donating the rest to places.
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Assuming Beebo is only spending happiness money, and not money she needs for, shelter, etc. What does it matter if how big her SL expenditure is? If she weren't spending it on SL, she'd be spending it on books or going to the theatre, or on a holiday to Timbuktoo and just like Second Life, all those things are fleeting too.


SL is not an investment, it's an entertainment expense. I pay each month for enjoyment of the moment. Some people pay golf fees, go to the movies, or spend a weekend at Atlantic City gambling. I log in to SL.

The equation of how much I'm willing to pay for entertainment changes by the year. At one point I was paying over $100/mo for tier, which was easily paid for with a few hours of free lance web work per month. Now I'm heading toward retirement and I've decided even $25/mo is too much and I'm scaling back.

Meanwhile, however, my cable bill is still $120/mo and it's funny how no one seems to question that expense, even though it's every bit as ephemeral as SL.
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SL is not an investment, it's an entertainment expense. I pay each month for enjoyment of the moment. Some people pay golf fees, go to the movies, or spend a weekend at Atlantic City gambling. I log in to SL.

The equation of how much I'm willing to pay for entertainment changes by the year. At one point I was paying over $100/mo for tier, which was easily paid for with a few hours of free lance web work per month. Now I'm heading toward retirement and I've decided even $25/mo is too much and I'm scaling back.

Meanwhile, however, my cable bill is still $120/mo and it's funny how no one seems to question that expense, even though it's every bit as ephemeral as SL.
I have not logged on much lately. Since most of my stipends are donated somewhere I view it as quasi-charity. Since I let my house plot be used for the TDOR (Transgender Day of Remembrance) I even think of that as a donation to charity.

I do play games, specifically Guild Wars 2. It is not a subscription system but I figure as long as my monthly average is less than WOW that I am doing pretty good there.
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SL is not an investment, it's an entertainment expense. I pay each month for enjoyment of the moment. Some people pay golf fees, go to the movies, or spend a weekend at Atlantic City gambling. I log in to SL.

As much as people hate to hear it, Second Life is just a game.

You could subscribe to WoW, or SL, it's entertainment all the same.
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