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**Stroker Serpentine** · 06-17-2008, 04:46 PM

Okay, I am going to rant my ass off here...I am sure everyone has seen the blog post by now where the content that was "apparently" removed over the weekend has since been restored.

I KNEW it was too good to be true that LL actually GREW SOME BALLS and targeted KNOWN content thieves whom have been AR'd and DMCA'd on numerous occasions and CONTINUE to pop back on the grid with the same content and a different account.

The official forums were ablaze with everything from "ZOMG..my sexbed is broke" to "I was wondering why LL chose now to act upon this..I have been complaining for months" Someone IM Craig Altman or Johan Durant and ask them if they intended for their animations to be included full perm in the BIB's and sexbeds blanketing the grid. The very ones that were obviously the target of this takedown. The ones I have been fighting because they were named "Sexgen insert"

Ask Craig about how confused he was when LL actually banned someone (so he thought) for being a thief. Ooops..they just put the content right back up. Sorrrry our bad! Inadvertent mistake!
Ask me why Rase Kenzo and Volkov Catteneo still have active accounts when they ADMITTED to stealing IP in a COURT ORDER!

I will tell you why if by now you may be a bit confused. It is all summed up and tucked nice and cozy into this blog today...

"Also be aware that persons who materially misrepresent copyright infringement in DMCA claims may be liable for damages, including attorneys’ fees and costs. In one case, a company that sought removal of content protected by the fair use doctrine paid over $100,000 USD. For more on this, see here."

The Diebold case is one of DMCA abuse. So lets send a message to all the residents of SL LaurapLinden that you could be SUED if you file a DMCA. For 100's of thousands of dollars no less!

Linden Lab does not give a rats ass about your content. Its all Fair Use people! How DARE they placate us like this. I am sooo PISSED.
Joshua, I hope you are reading this because you have won me over. The only way Linden Lab will ever protect your IP is if they are made to do so with a big fat class action suit.

I cant even type I am so mad. I wish they would just come out and say it...oh wait, they would be liable then. Duh!

**Vertigo Paris** · 06-17-2008, 04:50 PM

I am not even sure how I want to respond to this.

Brenda Archer · 06-17-2008, 04:55 PM

Mind boggling.

Stolen content getting restored, legitimate content returned in an unusable condition... madness. I can only offer sympathy to makers who are caught in this fubared situation.

Dnate Mars · 06-17-2008, 04:58 PM

I give up. I just don't get it.

Maybe a big class action lawsuit is exactly what is needed. LL doesn't seem to want to do it on their own.

Cindy Claveau · 06-17-2008, 05:02 PM

My pathetic little efforts to start a business in SL have just taken a severe morale beating. The smart thing for me to do right now is to close my stores, sell my land and go do something else.

Seeya, Linden Lab, and you can kiss my ass on the way out.

Joshua Nightshade · 06-17-2008, 05:02 PM

Even that blog entry didn't address what has been fact.

My friend already has a support ticket over her content being destroyed by LL and that blog entry acted like it's never happened.

Eirik · 06-17-2008, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine

"Also be aware that persons who materially misrepresent copyright infringement in DMCA claims may be liable for damages, including attorneys’ fees and costs. In one case, a company that sought removal of content protected by the fair use doctrine paid over $100,000 USD. For more on this, see here."

The Diebold case is one of DMCA abuse. So lets send a message to all the residents of SL LaurapLinden that you could be SUED if you file a DMCA. For 100's of thousands of dollars no less!

Like it or not, it's a fact that griefers abuse DMCA.

So that's definitely something that needed to be said.

I don't agree with a lot of what's said in that blog post. But this is one thing they were IMO right to point out. Griefers need to know what they risk when they pull their stunts on SL.

People who send in valid DMCA notices have nothing to fear whatsoever.

Steve Mahfouz · 06-17-2008, 05:22 PM

If I understand this correctly, then this means the end of SL as we know it. No, SL won't end, but a lot of content creators won't create content now.

PS Home, here we come grrrrrr

Lordfly Digeridoo · 06-17-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mahfouz

PS Home, here we come grrrrrr

You can't make any content in PS Home, unless you're Millions of Us or similar.

It'd be too big of a liability.

**Stroker Serpentine** · 06-17-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daman

Like it or not, it's a fact that griefers abuse DMCA.

So that's definitely something that needed to be said.

I don't agree with a lot of what's said in that blog post. But this is one thing they were IMO right to point out. Griefers need to know what they risk when they pull their stunts on SL.

People who send in valid DMCA notices have nothing to fear whatsoever.

While I was busy duct taping my head I overlooked the potential for DMCA abuse by these 'tards.

I gues one of the reasons I am so infuriated is because my friend (who's content is involved here) Was the victim of a DMCA counter and has to pay for a US attorney from Britain.

FGS...can't LL just say "We dont want you here" when it's blatantly obvious that these people are thieves. F**k the DMCA...use some common damn sense. It's their platform..their TOS..USE IT!

**Psyke Phaeton** · 06-17-2008, 06:24 PM

The war continues. There is so much I could say but it is simply part of the 3 way struggle between Open Source, Capitalism and illegal copying. It will exist for ever.

LL has decided they are not on the side of the Capitalist faction they only serve LL. It makes more sense for LL to make themselves as a carrier rather than a government.

Steve Mahfouz · 06-17-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordfly Digeridoo

You can't make any content in PS Home, unless you're Millions of Us or similar.

It'd be too big of a liability.

Sorry, I guess my sarcasm was too vague.

I meant that because of this, after a while LL will look a lot like PS Home, with only LL-sanctioned content. A stretch I know, but best analogy I could think of.

Kristian · 06-17-2008, 06:31 PM

It's too late to stuff the content creation genie in the bottle. They'd have to start from scratch.

Allana Dion · 06-17-2008, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

My pathetic little efforts to start a business in SL have just taken a severe morale beating. The smart thing for me to do right now is to close my stores, sell my land and go do something else.

Seeya, Linden Lab, and you can kiss my ass on the way out.

I stopped creating any new content about four months ago, when my sales dropped below the amount I considered worth my time. I haven't closed my store, but I'm done putting any effort into it other than the occasional customer service response.

My stress level has gone way down and my enjoyment level way up since SL became, once again, just a place to hang out with old friends and make new ones.

ETA: I fully believe that the biggest cause of so many people's low sales numbers is the lack of consumer confidence. It's not a summer downturn, it's LL incompetence and this latest is just one more example.

Cindy Claveau · 06-17-2008, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Mahfouz

Sorry, I guess my sarcasm was too vague.

I meant that because of this, after a while LL will look a lot like PS Home, with only LL-sanctioned content. A stretch I know, but best analogy I could think of.

No. That would require entirely too much involvement and commitment on their part.

They just want to be the "platform providers". They don't want to dabble in rules, lawsuits, or enforcement. Put another way, they want to sit in their offices eating donuts and writing blogs and let the residents sweat the hard shit.

They can't even manage to do a simple DMCA takedown right, why should anyone expect them to be MORE hands on?

**Alexa Lioncourt** · 06-17-2008, 06:46 PM

can someone post the SL forum link here? This makes no sense to me....

Nm - found it and am reading

Atashi Yue · 06-17-2008, 07:10 PM

So...they took down the wrong things? Then they restored those, and when they did the restored things were broken? While leaving the offending av's in SL?

Wildefire Walcott · 06-17-2008, 07:11 PM

I love how they don't even try to explain what actually happened over the weekend. No one's expecting them to name names (even though everyone already knows), but just to say "Uh, we meant to delete some objects and ended up deleting everything else" or whatever actually happened...

Atashi Yue · 06-17-2008, 07:17 PM

Wait. When they go on about filing a false DMCA, are they implying that the original one, that prompted the removal of the stolen items, was false? And that's why they restored them?

I am completely confused.

Wildefire Walcott · 06-17-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atashi Yue

Wait. When they go on about filing a false DMCA, are they implying that the original one, that prompted the removal of the stolen items, was false? And that's why they restored them?

I am completely confused.

We simply don't know what the hell happened. This is the problem. Hell, they don't even say the missing inventory items had anything to do with DMCA at all. Could have been an asset server barf for all they're telling us.

CheerGirl Allen · 06-17-2008, 07:25 PM

The Bimbo Cheerleaders Support you 100000000000% Stroker

**Io Zeno** · 06-17-2008, 07:33 PM

Huh.

Atashi Yue · 06-17-2008, 07:35 PM

Okay, so it's not just me that's confused. This is bizarre.

Solomon Devoix · 06-17-2008, 07:39 PM

In his rant here, Stroker also conveniently left out this bit from the blog:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solomon Devoix

They eggs they broke in this case were NOT the bad ones.
Many of the scripts that were removed were LEGITIMATE scripts, which happened to have Eva listed as the script creator, but were in no way infringing.
So explain to me how removing LEGITIMATE and VALID and NON-INFRINGING content is breaking “bad” eggs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine

You can cling to this if you like, as many have. But everyone conviently leaves out the part about the STOLEN animations that were included in every single one of these “broken items” along with the scripts.

Despite several people saying this is NOT true (including at least one furniture maker who had their stuff shredded by this little purge) Stroker maintains that anyone whose content was broken by the removal of the LEGITIMATELY USED scripts is either a thief (they all used the stolen animations, too, he says, in every single case) or a liar (they say they didn't use the stolen animations, but since Stroker says they were using them, they're lying when they say they weren't).

And of course pointing out the Emperor has no clothes gets nothing but scorn and derision from the high-and-mighty Stroker, since he's a Big Name Content creator and I'm a nobody.

My feelings on that:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solomon Devoix

When YOU stop thinking that innocent people being blasted by LL by the crippling of their legitimate items (legitimate scripts with no stolen animations) is okay, then I’ll start considering you someone worthy of paying attention to.

When YOU stop stating that everyone who got their items crippled by this sweep is a thief and was without a doubt using the stolen animations, I’ll start considering you someone worthy of paying attention to.

You’ve been hard done to. I support you getting your stuff taken care of and infringing content removed.

But your steadfast belief that innocent people caught in the crossfire is fine, just because you’ve been hurt (and not by the innocents so mentioned) makes you at least as low a form of life as those who stole your content. Because you’re doing the same thing as the thieves… utilizing or pushing forward an agenda that serves your purposes without caring about the innocent damaged in the process.

You were an innocent damaged in the process of the thieves making money off your hard work.

You say that’s bad, and I agree.

Innocents damaged in the pursuit of getting your stuff taken care of is good, you say.

I simply can’t support that. And the more you maintain it’s right/just/proper, the more you expose the type of person you are: someone who just like the thieves, doesn’t care as long as your personal agenda is served.

Atashi Yue · 06-17-2008, 07:48 PM

Uhm. So...

LL removed things that weren't stolen. And didn't remove things that were.

Maybe it was all a big screw up then, and wasn't about a DMCA at all.

06-17-2008, 04:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stroker Serpentine Garden Variety SLU Supporter Avieroticist Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 446 My Mood: SL Join Date: Nov 2003 Business: Strokerz Toyz	Linden Lab Restores Stolen Content Okay, I am going to rant my ass off here...I am sure everyone has seen the blog post by now where the content that was "apparently" removed over the weekend has since been restored. I KNEW it was too good to be true that LL actually GREW SOME BALLS and targeted KNOWN content thieves whom have been AR'd and DMCA'd on numerous occasions and CONTINUE to pop back on the grid with the same content and a different account. The official forums were ablaze with everything from "ZOMG..my sexbed is broke" to "I was wondering why LL chose now to act upon this..I have been complaining for months" Someone IM Craig Altman or Johan Durant and ask them if they intended for their animations to be included full perm in the BIB's and sexbeds blanketing the grid. The very ones that were obviously the target of this takedown. The ones I have been fighting because they were named "Sexgen insert" Ask Craig about how confused he was when LL actually banned someone (so he thought) for being a thief. Ooops..they just put the content right back up. Sorrrry our bad! Inadvertent mistake! Ask me why Rase Kenzo and Volkov Catteneo still have active accounts when they ADMITTED to stealing IP in a COURT ORDER! I will tell you why if by now you may be a bit confused. It is all summed up and tucked nice and cozy into this blog today... "Also be aware that persons who materially misrepresent copyright infringement in DMCA claims may be liable for damages, including attorneys’ fees and costs. In one case, a company that sought removal of content protected by the fair use doctrine paid over $100,000 USD. For more on this, see here." The Diebold case is one of DMCA abuse. So lets send a message to all the residents of SL LaurapLinden that you could be SUED if you file a DMCA. For 100's of thousands of dollars no less! Linden Lab does not give a rats ass about your content. Its all Fair Use people! How DARE they placate us like this. I am sooo PISSED. Joshua, I hope you are reading this because you have won me over. The only way Linden Lab will ever protect your IP is if they are made to do so with a big fat class action suit. I cant even type I am so mad. I wish they would just come out and say it...oh wait, they would be liable then. Duh!

06-17-2008, 04:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
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06-17-2008, 05:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
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06-17-2008, 05:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
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06-17-2008, 04:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Brenda Archer Tired Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 3,830 My Mood: SL Join Date: 4/28/2005 Blog Entries: 4	Mind boggling. Stolen content getting restored, legitimate content returned in an unusable condition... madness. I can only offer sympathy to makers who are caught in this fubared situation.

06-17-2008, 05:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Even that blog entry didn't address what has been fact. My friend already has a support ticket over her content being destroyed by LL and that blog entry acted like it's never happened.

06-17-2008, 06:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
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06-17-2008, 07:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,210 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 5	So...they took down the wrong things? Then they restored those, and when they did the restored things were broken? While leaving the offending av's in SL?

06-17-2008, 07:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
Wildefire Walcott Baby Baroness Pew pew pew. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,010 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: 2005.10.28 Business: Desperation Isle Estates	I love how they don't even try to explain what actually happened over the weekend. No one's expecting them to name names (even though everyone already knows), but just to say "Uh, we meant to delete some objects and ended up deleting everything else" or whatever actually happened... __________________ Desperation Isle Estates: Great prices, great neighbors, great service! New Desperation Isle: The prettiest BDSM Playground and Fetish Mall in SL! Desperation Isle Productions: Scripted skyboxes for lots (and budgets) of all sizes! Wildefire Walcott's Mistressy Musings: My blog about D/s and BDSM in Second Life.

06-17-2008, 07:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,210 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 5	Wait. When they go on about filing a false DMCA, are they implying that the original one, that prompted the removal of the stolen items, was false? And that's why they restored them? I am completely confused.

06-17-2008, 07:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
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06-17-2008, 07:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	Huh.

06-17-2008, 07:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,210 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 5	Okay, so it's not just me that's confused. This is bizarre.

06-17-2008, 07:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,210 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 5	Uhm. So... LL removed things that weren't stolen. And didn't remove things that were. Maybe it was all a big screw up then, and wasn't about a DMCA at all.

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