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Gonta Maltz · 05-30-2008, 02:31 AM

Hot diggidy

LL is working on new features geared towards higher-end graphics cards. These screenshots were taken using a proof-of-concept viewer that had to be compiled from source code.

Techno-babble
Viewer is built from code available in LL's source-code directory (SVN trunk) Under the "shadow-draft" branch. It's super buggy and wholly unoptimized code, so even on my decent machine I get 1-3 fps and a ton of crashes (**ton**)

LL's working on "advanced" graphics options geared towards nVidia "8 series" graphics cards and above. Taken from an sl-dev email list:

"The notable new features in that branch:
- Per pixel lighting
- All point lights enabled
- The cost of a point light is directly proportional to how many pixels
it takes up on the screen (decorating with lots of small lights is
cheap, lights in the distance are cheap, stacking up lights in one place
is expensive).
- Hard shadows from the sun."

Pretty, huh?

Please note:
I won't be distributing the binaries: I wasn't able to build the release myself, and the version I got has been taken down by its creator. If I'm able to compile the code myself, I may put it up for download. You're welcome to get the code and try building it yourself!

caroline ra · 05-30-2008, 02:42 AM

Actually you lost me at (SVN trunk). But I am in complete awe of ppl who can understand and manipulate all this stuff to create these effects.

Joshua Nightshade · 05-30-2008, 02:45 AM

Wow.

JOSHUA HAS A NEW SEXY LAPTOP WITH A NVIDIA 9500 CARD.

Gonta Maltz · 05-30-2008, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caroline ra

Actually you lost me at (SVN trunk). But I am in complete awe of ppl who can understand and manipulate all this stuff to create these effects.

There, I added a little bit that hopefully clarified things.

CoyoteMomiji · 05-30-2008, 03:03 AM

WANT.

moopf · 05-30-2008, 03:30 AM

Looks really slick, a definite step forward.

Just been reading through the thread you posted a link to - this guy at LL is hilarious (davep). I'm not sure he'd make a good peace envoy

I can see his point that not supporting the 7 series for this means he'd get less out of these new features but, wow, he's amazingly condescending to anybody who doesn't have really up to date systems. He even said that supporting series 8 should be considered "generous"

Here's a great post from him:

https://lists.secondlife.com/piperma...ay/009930.html

After that the thread kinda devolves a bit into a "what did he really mean" discussion

Gonta Maltz · 05-30-2008, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moopf

...Just been reading through the thread you posted a link to - this guy at LL is hilarious (davep). I'm not sure he'd make a good peace envoy

I can see his point that not supporting the 7 series for this means he'd get less out of these new features but, wow, he's amazingly condescending to anybody who doesn't have really up to date systems. He even said that supporting series 8 should be considered "generous"

I think he's got a point though, and I personally love him being almost abusive in making that apparent. Then again I'm kind of an asshole, myself.

moopf · 05-30-2008, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonta Maltz

I think he's got a point though, and I personally love him being almost abusive in making that apparent. Then again I'm kind of an asshole, myself.

Oh yeah, like I said, he's definitely got a very valid point. It's just his way of putting things is hilariously obnoxious. Proper techie attitude

Khashai Steinbeck · 05-30-2008, 03:48 AM

A few unusual artifacts, but still becoming very interesting.

And here is another one, showing that the avatar is capable of casting shadows on itself:

Joshua Nightshade · 05-30-2008, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moopf

Looks really slick, a definite step forward.

Just been reading through the thread you posted a link to - this guy at LL is hilarious (davep). I'm not sure he'd make a good peace envoy

I can see his point that not supporting the 7 series for this means he'd get less out of these new features but, wow, he's amazingly condescending to anybody who doesn't have really up to date systems. He even said that supporting series 8 should be considered "generous"

Here's a great post from him:

https://lists.secondlife.com/piperma...ay/009930.html

After that the thread kinda devolves a bit into a "what did he really mean" discussion

WOW.

"Now, before the over reaction machine spins up and I get an e-mail about an open letter from the cheapskates of the world, this doesn't mean Second Life is going to be GeForce 8 only, just that you'll need that kind of card if you want the absolute best experience. Second Life will still run on that POS laptop your boss let you take out of the recycling bin at work."

....

WOW.

WarKirby Magojiro · 05-30-2008, 04:00 AM

Well, I just got an 8800 GTS 512 so I don't mind ^_^

That said, though, all of this sounds rather expensive, render wise, and possibly something you'd turn off to save performance even if your PC could run it.

Joshua Nightshade · 05-30-2008, 04:02 AM

I HAZ A 9500 GS 512!

WarKirby Magojiro · 05-30-2008, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonta Maltz

- The cost of a point light is directly proportional to how many pixels
it takes up on the screen (decorating with lots of small lights is
cheap, lights in the distance are cheap, stacking up lights in one place
is expensive).

And this worries me. I've just realised that one Of my products is suddenly going to start killing people's framerates. Will need to do something about that.

Joshua Nightshade · 05-30-2008, 04:19 AM

Shadows and reflections both tend to kill a computer.

They're generally the first thing I shut off or set to low even though I have a system that can handle it. But I like having 80FPS and shit.

WarKirby Magojiro · 05-30-2008, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

I HAZ A 9500 GS 512!

But it's a laptop, right? Aren't they usually less powerful than desktop video cards? less space and all...

Joshua Nightshade · 05-30-2008, 04:46 AM

Oh yeah that one isn't as powerful as the desktop version, but it's still good.

My main system is a gaming laptop that's like 15 pounds and has two 7950 GTXs in SLI; that's the very top card in the 7s series.

jacqueline trudeau · 05-30-2008, 07:03 AM

I have an 8800GT in one box, 8800GTS in the other. Bring it!

Shiva Shiskabob · 05-30-2008, 07:16 AM

/me checks his graphics card

damn, looks like i'll haveta update. but maybe i can eke out a bit of that shadow action. :-)

Jackal Ennui · 05-30-2008, 07:21 AM

But can I still wear my 6 lightsource facelight?!?!!!!

Vaelissa Cortes · 05-30-2008, 07:58 AM

Very neat!

Penny Patton · 05-30-2008, 08:12 AM

NEAT! I wholeheartedly endorse this shiny, even if I may need to upgrade to get it to perform decently. I've been wanting shadows for ages.

So...will LL up the amount of intensity we can put on a light source? Because, as it is, you really cannot make a single light source bright enough. For such lights, most people cheat with stacking, already a poor kludge this new feature will make it even worse.

Kristian · 05-30-2008, 08:33 AM

My nipples are ROCK HARD right now.

Khamon · 05-30-2008, 08:58 AM

Joshua you leave moopf alone, have flyswatter, will travel.

moopf · 05-30-2008, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

Joshua you leave moopf alone, have flyswatter, will travel.

I think Joshua was WOWing at the tone of davep (the LL guy).

You were, weren't you Joshua?

Dnate Mars · 05-30-2008, 09:05 AM

Heh, I will wait until it is actually released and working before I upgrade.

05-30-2008, 02:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gonta Maltz InfoAddict :V Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 114 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 8 SL Join Date: 9/28/2005	Shadows In SL and Stuff Hot diggidy LL is working on new features geared towards higher-end graphics cards. These screenshots were taken using a proof-of-concept viewer that had to be compiled from source code. Techno-babble Viewer is built from code available in LL's source-code directory (SVN trunk) Under the "shadow-draft" branch. It's super buggy and wholly unoptimized code, so even on my decent machine I get 1-3 fps and a ton of crashes (ton) LL's working on "advanced" graphics options geared towards nVidia "8 series" graphics cards and above. Taken from an sl-dev email list: "The notable new features in that branch: - Per pixel lighting - All point lights enabled - The cost of a point light is directly proportional to how many pixels it takes up on the screen (decorating with lots of small lights is cheap, lights in the distance are cheap, stacking up lights in one place is expensive). - Hard shadows from the sun." Pretty, huh? Please note: I won't be distributing the binaries: I wasn't able to build the release myself, and the version I got has been taken down by its creator. If I'm able to compile the code myself, I may put it up for download. You're welcome to get the code and try building it yourself! Last edited by Gonta Maltz; 05-30-2008 at 02:52 AM. Reason: Added brief non-technobabble overview

05-30-2008, 03:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
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05-30-2008, 07:03 AM	#17 (permalink)
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05-30-2008, 07:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
Shiva Shiskabob Semi-Demi God Bluuuuuuuue Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 987 My Mood: SL Join Date: 03/08/08	/me checks his graphics card damn, looks like i'll haveta update. but maybe i can eke out a bit of that shadow action. :-) __________________ Panic! Paaaanic! Is Himushet Anatra inworld. Minus th'pickles.

05-30-2008, 07:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jackal Ennui Senior Member yawn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 6 Business: lassitude & ennui	But can I still wear my 6 lightsource facelight?!?!!!! __________________ Lassitude & Ennui - fine shoes & jewelry at onrez and in-world on sim Nouveau

05-30-2008, 02:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
caroline ra Hell is other people MYOB Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Zummerzet Posts: 2,270 SL Join Date: Dec 2006	Actually you lost me at (SVN trunk). But I am in complete awe of ppl who can understand and manipulate all this stuff to create these effects.

05-30-2008, 02:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Wow. JOSHUA HAS A NEW SEXY LAPTOP WITH A NVIDIA 9500 CARD.

05-30-2008, 03:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
moopf Member Moopfmerising Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 67 My Mood: SL Join Date: January 2004	Looks really slick, a definite step forward. Just been reading through the thread you posted a link to - this guy at LL is hilarious (davep). I'm not sure he'd make a good peace envoy I can see his point that not supporting the 7 series for this means he'd get less out of these new features but, wow, he's amazingly condescending to anybody who doesn't have really up to date systems. He even said that supporting series 8 should be considered "generous" Here's a great post from him: https://lists.secondlife.com/piperma...ay/009930.html After that the thread kinda devolves a bit into a "what did he really mean" discussion

05-30-2008, 03:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Khashai Steinbeck Stop Looking At Me! omg omg omg! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moberly, MO Posts: 349 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 6 SL Join Date: 9/26/2005 Business: Khashai Steinbeck Homes	A few unusual artifacts, but still becoming very interesting. And here is another one, showing that the avatar is capable of casting shadows on itself:

05-30-2008, 04:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	I HAZ A 9500 GS 512!

05-30-2008, 04:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Shadows and reflections both tend to kill a computer. They're generally the first thing I shut off or set to low even though I have a system that can handle it. But I like having 80FPS and shit.

05-30-2008, 04:46 AM	#16 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Oh yeah that one isn't as powerful as the desktop version, but it's still good. My main system is a gaming laptop that's like 15 pounds and has two 7950 GTXs in SLI; that's the very top card in the 7s series.

05-30-2008, 07:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
Vaelissa Cortes Dislikes people. Hanging out with 2003 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Beatrice Posts: 890 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 23 SL Join Date: 4/24/2007 Business: Ruined	Very neat!

05-30-2008, 08:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
Penny Patton Moo. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 617 My Mood: SL Join Date: 11/30/2005 Business: Happy Bivouac	NEAT! I wholeheartedly endorse this shiny, even if I may need to upgrade to get it to perform decently. I've been wanting shadows for ages. So...will LL up the amount of intensity we can put on a light source? Because, as it is, you really cannot make a single light source bright enough. For such lights, most people cheat with stacking, already a poor kludge this new feature will make it even worse. Last edited by Penny Patton; 05-30-2008 at 08:44 AM.

05-30-2008, 08:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
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05-30-2008, 08:58 AM	#23 (permalink)
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05-30-2008, 09:05 AM	#25 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Illyngophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Home Posts: 10,885 My Mood: Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire XBOX Leaderboard: 36^th	Heh, I will wait until it is actually released and working before I upgrade. __________________ SLU Clubhouse - Open 24/7 Visit at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tan/138/25/25

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