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**Munchflower Zaius** · 01-04-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Siobhan OFlynn

My two favorite avatar bodies belong to Munchflower Zaius and HoseQueen McLean. They're just beautiful, perfect, rounded and sexy!

Thanks for saying that, I tried to go see the pictures but they're all blocked or private now. Like Rosie I've been given more than my fair share of abuse over the fact that my avatar doesn't look like a supermodel. She's high waisted, she's short, and by god she's round. I fucking love her that way. I'm 5'10 in rl, I'm high waisted and I'm round. I'm okay with that and I don't want to be a supermodel there either. I'm all for freedom to do whatever you want with your damn av, but jaysus, there's nothing wrong with not conforming to some retarded beauty standard.

Lewis Luminos · 01-04-2009, 03:28 PM

I adore curvy girls (in RL and SL). I think Rosie has one of the loveliest avatars I've seen in SL, and I greatly admire her for having the patience and the courage to make it work.

Mocksoup Graves · 01-04-2009, 04:08 PM

I have done my best to make my Mocksoup avatar true to life. Tracer and i painstakingly tried to adjust the boobs to boobs, butt to butt, hips to hips (He didn't complain that much). It isn't as good as I would like to be, because frankly I am just not that good with sliders to match RL. Mocksoup isn't as soft as I am, but that is a mesh problem, not much I can do about it.

Persephone Milk · 01-04-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanjana Rajal

*sob sob* I went to an SL casting call for models and was made to drop 50 pounds on the spot! (ok lol that sounds kinda funny... but my avatar has post-traumatic stress). after losing the hips, the boobs, the 'saddle bags' - set to like 0 (and once those are gone I feel sort of manly) then came in a bony super tall avatar with the whole package the porcelain skin and everything and the caster (a photographer I think) was like okay you're not think enough bye sanjana. LOL WHATTT I think I'm already over that whole sl modelling obsession. Yeah another thing about dark skins - I was told to take mine off (for modelling) and I have an 'ethnic' look - not back from the tanning salon 'tan' look. >__< I like a little diversity

I think it's a bit odd to ask a model to completely change her shape and skin tone for a photo shoot. I can see where a small adjustment might help to show off a certain clothing item. But to completely change your shape and even racial characteristics? At that point I have to wonder why somebody is even looking for models, and doesn't just create an alt instead. It seems to me you ask a person to model, either because you like their appearance or think they would compliment your product, or because you want to leverage a person's notoriety. Asking a model to become somebody else seems very silly.

I have been asked to model on several occasions (I didn't accept, because modeling isn't really my thing) and I have to assume it was because they found my appearance pleasing.

If a photographer asked me to change my shape dramatically, or my race, I would suggest they find the model they are really looking for, or create one themselves.

Macha Morigi · 01-04-2009, 04:41 PM

In RL, I am a painfully thin 5'11 beanpole, from a family of toweringly tall, painfully thin beanpoley people.

I eat like a mutherfecking horse, I knock back Guiness every night, I slather stuff in butter, I have mayo with everything; it makes no difference, I can still count every single bloody rib I've got.

Over the years, I've lost count of the number of people, some of them complete strangers, who have laid a comforting arm around my shoulders, taken me to one side and advised me that it would be fine, perfectly ok, if I just ate a sandwich or two, the assumption being that I was some sort of bimbo anorexic.

I have usually managed not to punch these people in the gob. Usually...

What I wouldn't give to put on a stone. Or even a pound, that would be nice. But no, I can still fit into my first frigging bra, people!!!

When I had short hair, I was frequently mistaken for a bloke (from the back.)

Given all this it's not surprising that I don't think being very thin is particularly feminine. I deliberately made Macha's shape with tits and an arse, because I am lacking both IRL. I love seeing avatars like Rosie's, and do a lickle whoop of joy every time I do. To me, it suggests a stronger personality behind the avatar, because they have the guts to go against the grain of what society expects from them.

We seem to have forgotten what the majority of real women look like. Here's a wonderful site (NSFW!) a friend (male and hetero) sent to me - chock full of lovely, REAL ladies.

Enjoy x

VOILA! PIN-UP. PORN. NAKED. NUDE. OLD SEX. VINTAGE SEX. FEMALE EROTIC. VINTAGE PORN. OLD PORN. ANTIQUE SEX. EROTIC PORN. RETRO SEX. HARDCORE. PORN ART. RODOX. SEXY RAUNCH. | Main

Siyu Suen · 01-04-2009, 04:48 PM

Aaaaah yes poor Macha! I have a friend just like that, and even I when I first met her thought she would be confining herself to a few meager leaves at lunch, and then got surprised when she positively inhaled a piling helping of pizza, tater tots and french fries, with a side of fluffernutter sandwich. Yes, this was 8th grade. I've been friends with her since and I've secretly grumped around behind her back about how she can eat two Italian dinners in one day and still see her collarbones, but then I look down and realize I have bewbs. Considering what a foodie I can be sometimes, I'm still not sure if I would trade my boobs for a metabolism like that.

Honestly though, people like you Macha, seem to be who's actually modeling out there in the real world. Elyse Sewell, Heidi Klum, they have metabolisms faster than a small rodent's and anyone who artificially keeps their weight down is never going to make it through the stresses and pitfalls of that sort of life.

Hey... if you have a pretty face maybe you should go to a modeling casting call

Lewis Luminos · 01-04-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Macha Morigi

In RL, I am a painfully thin 5'11 beanpole, from a family of toweringly tall, painfully thin beanpoley people.

I eat like a mutherfecking horse, I knock back Guiness every night, I slather stuff in butter, I have mayo with everything; it makes no difference, I can still count every single bloody rib I've got.

I used to be like that (except I'm only 5'5"). I've put on a bit of weight since I hit 40, not evenly distributed, it's all on my belly, and I can't see my ribs any more but I still weigh under 130 pounds.

Again with me it's a family thing. My father, at 71 years of age, is still thin, and fit as a butcher's dog.

Macha Morigi · 01-04-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Siyu Suen

but then I look down and realize I have bewbs. Considering what a foodie I can be sometimes, I'm still not sure if I would trade my boobs for a metabolism like that.

Word! I'm still waiting for my tits to turn up... I think they got lost in the post.

By the way I just saw this pic on that site (above) and thought of you, and your fabulous hats etc

Siyu Suen · 01-04-2009, 05:15 PM

/me sideclicks... saves

Sobriquet Kryakutnoy · 01-04-2009, 05:59 PM

I can stop lowering Sobri's sliders whenever I want.

DON'T JUDGE ME.

Richie Waves · 01-04-2009, 06:07 PM

Wait.. there's pro mental illness groups now?

makes me sick... oops!

Sobriquet Kryakutnoy · 01-04-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Waves

Wait.. there's pro mental illness groups now?

makes me sick... oops!

A friend of mine tried to join a LiveJournal pro-ana group once, and they rejected her because she had a post about making cupcakes in her archive.

Richie Waves · 01-04-2009, 06:16 PM

that's pathetic... slap in the head would sort them out.

Ingrid N · 01-04-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Waves

Wait.. there's pro mental illness groups now?

makes me sick... oops!

Well there was about half a year ago

. I think it collapsed in on itself ~~like an anorectic's cardiovascular system on her 11th day of fasting~~

Sorry, I think I said something vaguely inspiring and well-thought out in this thread before and had to set things right.

Charlemagne Allen · 01-04-2009, 06:17 PM

Alexia Cournoyer · 01-04-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie Barthelmess

y... and I find the best answer I can give them is -- when I do get those questions -- "Because I love myself."

Voluptuousness has always been cool and the attitude towards it is the easiest way to tell the difference between those who truly are and those who are just wannabees

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Originally Posted by Beebo Brink

There is a great deal of inherent misogyny in the fashion world. The reigning aesthetic is of a waifishly thin body, which is the antithesis of what a woman's body is meant to look like.

I can't help but wonder whether this trend was influenced (whether consciously or not) by the body aesthetic which gay male fashion designers like. The models end up looking a lot more like young boys than they do full-grown women.

I've thought that for a long time, but then I just thought I was being cynical

I notice the flickr site has gone.. I'm sure it's resurfaced with a new name and a lower profile - sadly these things never seem to go away.

Phoenix Psaltery · 01-04-2009, 11:30 PM

Jebus. If I was with one of these twig girls, I'd BREAK her, accidentally if not on purpose.

Give me my real woman any day of the week.

P2

**Katelynne Shippe** · 01-05-2009, 07:41 AM

/me cannot stand the term 'real women'. I find it hard to top 100 pounds in RL, and whenever someone mentions being heavier as what a REAL WOMAN *should* look like, it makes me wince - am I unreal? Invisible? A child? What?

Whatever weight a woman is, very heavy or very light or all those variants in between, it doesn't make her any more or any less 'real'.

Lourdes · 01-05-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Katelynne Shippe

/me cannot stand the term 'real women'. I find it hard to top 100 pounds in RL, and whenever someone mentions being heavier as what a REAL WOMAN *should* look like, it makes me wince - am I unreal? Invisible? A child? What?

Whatever weight a woman is, very heavy or very light or all those variants in between, it doesn't make her any more or any less 'real'.

To explain they mean "real" as opposed to the super thin air brushed models that you see in magazines and billboards. Those images do not portray the average woman which is what is referred to as "real".

So unless you are a super thin, air brushed model you shouldn't take it personal.

P.S. Last study I think says the average woman wears a size 14.

Xiomara Mendes · 01-05-2009, 08:54 AM

OK, long rant coming up. This might get a little tl;dr... just warning y'all!

While I am no fan of these pro-ana groups in rl or SL, you know what? If I were younger and somewhat more misguided, I'd probably join one of these groups too. I've struggled mightily with my weight my whole life- I'm the one who gains five pounds just thinking about carbs. I've been up and down the scale, and my weight has basically ranged from "could stand to lose a few pounds" to "obese". For all the naturally slender women who think that being excluded from the "real women" category is a kick in the teeth, try being told that your weight makes you ugly, stupid, lazy, unfeminine, undeserving of love, etc. I'd be thrilled to have the problems of a skinny woman any day.

So how does this relate to my avatar? Well, for those of you who haven't seen my avi's pic for some reason, Xio is slender. I think she's pretty hot. Clothes fit her! She looks awesome in everything! She doesn't have to worry about her weight! There are those who probably think I'm superficial or conformist because my avatar is traditionally slender and pretty. Those people can bite me. Everyone needs to feel comfortable with their avatar, whether they're traditionally pretty, unusual, ugly on purpose, a shape shifter, whatever.

**Katelynne Shippe** · 01-05-2009, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourdes Denimore

To explain they mean "real" as opposed to the super thin air brushed models that you see in magazines and billboards. Those images do not portray the average woman which is what is referred to as "real".

So unless you are a super thin, air brushed model you shouldn't take it personal.

P.S. Last study I think says the average woman wears a size 14.

I understand; and I realise no offence was intended or for anyone to take it personally. I just find the term nonsensical and over-used. I also find the defense of its use confusing, but

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiomara Mendes

For all the naturally slender women who think that being excluded from the "real women" category is a kick in the teeth, try being told that your weight makes you ugly, stupid, lazy, unfeminine, undeserving of love, etc. I'd be thrilled to have the problems of a skinny woman any day.

Oh I've been repeatedly told all those things (except the lazy part, add a few others in their place like 'anorexic bitch', 'skeletor', 'twiggy', 'disgusting'). Three of those were in my most recent workplace.

*goes back to fiddling with Katelynne's body sliders*

Rosie Barthelmess · 01-05-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiomara Mendes

OK, long rant coming up. This might get a little tl;dr... just warning y'all!

While I am no fan of these pro-ana groups in rl or SL, you know what? If I were younger and somewhat more misguided, I'd probably join one of these groups too. I've struggled mightily with my weight my whole life- I'm the one who gains five pounds just thinking about carbs. I've been up and down the scale, and my weight has basically ranged from "could stand to lose a few pounds" to "obese". For all the naturally slender women who think that being excluded from the "real women" category is a kick in the teeth, try being told that your weight makes you ugly, stupid, lazy, unfeminine, undeserving of love, etc. I'd be thrilled to have the problems of a skinny woman any day.

So how does this relate to my avatar? Well, for those of you who haven't seen my avi's pic for some reason, Xio is slender. I think she's pretty hot. Clothes fit her! She looks awesome in everything! She doesn't have to worry about her weight! There are those who probably think I'm superficial or conformist because my avatar is traditionally slender and pretty. Those people can bite me. Everyone needs to feel comfortable with their avatar, whether they're traditionally pretty, unusual, ugly on purpose, a shape shifter, whatever.

I don't think anybody has critiqued slender, lovely avatars. They're 90% of the avatars in SL -- physically fit, aesthetically pleasing loveliness. I'm all for folks living their dang dream -- it's SL after all.

Briana Dawson · 01-05-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lourdes Denimore

P.S. Last study I think says the average woman wears a size 14.

That is crazy. Last time i wore a size 14 i was 8 months pregnant.

You can be a healthy'ish size 14, it is just highly unlikely.

Lourdes · 01-05-2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katelynne Shippe

I understand; and I realise no offence was intended or for anyone to take it personally. I just find the term nonsensical and over-used. I also find the defense of its use confusing, but

It will always be nonsensical and confusing until you learn to love yourself and your body, and not give a shit what other people say.

**Ann Launay** · 01-05-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Briana Dawson

You can be a healthy'ish size 14, it is just highly unlikely.

I wouldn't say highly unlikely...it's really dependent on height and bone structure. A short, light-boned person who is a size 14 probably won't be at a healthy weight, but it's perfectly plausible that a tall, heavy boned person will be. And, while it's true that excess weight can create problems, overall health is more than just weight or dress size. Compare a thin smoker who subsists on junk food and whose entire exercise routine consists of walking to and from the car, to a heavier person who has an active, smoke-free life, works out regularly, and eats well, if a bit too enthusiastically...which one is healthier?

01-04-2009, 03:28 PM	#177 (permalink)
Lewis Luminos The Gingerbeard Man Ginger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Posts: 3,312 My Mood: SL Join Date: 08/11/2008 Blog Entries: 12	I adore curvy girls (in RL and SL). I think Rosie has one of the loveliest avatars I've seen in SL, and I greatly admire her for having the patience and the courage to make it work. __________________ -- Just Add Ginger -- -- Plurk -- -- last.fm -- -- flickr --

01-04-2009, 04:48 PM	#181 (permalink)
Siyu Suen The Mask Lady Loves to torture Miriel Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carnivale Posts: 5,732 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 14 SL Join Date: 10/14/06 Business: Illusions: Masks and Unique Accessories Awards: 1	Aaaaah yes poor Macha! I have a friend just like that, and even I when I first met her thought she would be confining herself to a few meager leaves at lunch, and then got surprised when she positively inhaled a piling helping of pizza, tater tots and french fries, with a side of fluffernutter sandwich. Yes, this was 8th grade. I've been friends with her since and I've secretly grumped around behind her back about how she can eat two Italian dinners in one day and still see her collarbones, but then I look down and realize I have bewbs. Considering what a foodie I can be sometimes, I'm still not sure if I would trade my boobs for a metabolism like that. Honestly though, people like you Macha, seem to be who's actually modeling out there in the real world. Elyse Sewell, Heidi Klum, they have metabolisms faster than a small rodent's and anyone who artificially keeps their weight down is never going to make it through the stresses and pitfalls of that sort of life. Hey... if you have a pretty face maybe you should go to a modeling casting call __________________ "Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever" -Baron Munchausen I'm attempting to bring about the end of the world to usher in a new era of mask wielding overlords. This is how!

01-04-2009, 06:07 PM	#186 (permalink)
Richie Waves Joie de vivre! Is Three apples Tall Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Between Iraq and Israel Posts: 8,990 SL Join Date: 27/06/2005	Wait.. there's pro mental illness groups now? makes me sick... oops! __________________ My lastfm Oooh, Betty! the cat did a shit in the hat

01-04-2009, 06:17 PM	#190 (permalink)
Charlemagne Allen Countess of Darkmere Heaven, to keep its beauty, cast them out, but even Hell itself would not receive them for fear the wicked there might glory over them. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,393 My Mood: SL Join Date: February 2007 Blog Entries: 1	__________________ Charlemagne Allen: YOU'RE A RACIST! Charlemagne Allen: I HAVE CHATLOGS! smokergirl Lowenhar: HOMOPHOBE smokergirl Lowenhar: CONTENT THIEF Charlemagne Allen: RELIGION SUCKS DONKEY BALLS! smokergirl Lowenhar: KISS MY ASS YOU CLOSE MINDED HYPOCRIT Charlemagne Allen: YOU WERE AN ESCORT FOR BARN ANIMALS! Charlemagne Allen: ZOMG BIG SIG! Pretty things: http://www.flickr.com/photos/charlemagneallen/

01-04-2009, 11:30 PM	#192 (permalink)
Phoenix Psaltery Sansarya's Firebird Derailer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rosebud Posts: 3,986 My Mood: SL Join Date: 02-25-2005 Business: Five59 Graphic Design	Jebus. If I was with one of these twig girls, I'd BREAK her, accidentally if not on purpose. Give me my real woman any day of the week. P2 __________________ Five59 Online Graphic Design Phoenix's Plurk \| Phoenix's Flickr\| Phoenix's Rarely Updated Blog

01-04-2009, 04:41 PM	#180 (permalink)
Macha Morigi Senior Member Miss Aligned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 161	In RL, I am a painfully thin 5'11 beanpole, from a family of toweringly tall, painfully thin beanpoley people. I eat like a mutherfecking horse, I knock back Guiness every night, I slather stuff in butter, I have mayo with everything; it makes no difference, I can still count every single bloody rib I've got. Over the years, I've lost count of the number of people, some of them complete strangers, who have laid a comforting arm around my shoulders, taken me to one side and advised me that it would be fine, perfectly ok, if I just ate a sandwich or two, the assumption being that I was some sort of bimbo anorexic. I have usually managed not to punch these people in the gob. Usually... What I wouldn't give to put on a stone. Or even a pound, that would be nice. But no, I can still fit into my first frigging bra, people!!! When I had short hair, I was frequently mistaken for a bloke (from the back.) Given all this it's not surprising that I don't think being very thin is particularly feminine. I deliberately made Macha's shape with tits and an arse, because I am lacking both IRL. I love seeing avatars like Rosie's, and do a lickle whoop of joy every time I do. To me, it suggests a stronger personality behind the avatar, because they have the guts to go against the grain of what society expects from them. We seem to have forgotten what the majority of real women look like. Here's a wonderful site (NSFW!) a friend (male and hetero) sent to me - chock full of lovely, REAL ladies. Enjoy x VOILA! PIN-UP. PORN. NAKED. NUDE. OLD SEX. VINTAGE SEX. FEMALE EROTIC. VINTAGE PORN. OLD PORN. ANTIQUE SEX. EROTIC PORN. RETRO SEX. HARDCORE. PORN ART. RODOX. SEXY RAUNCH. \| Main

01-04-2009, 05:15 PM	#184 (permalink)
Siyu Suen The Mask Lady Loves to torture Miriel Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carnivale Posts: 5,732 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 14 SL Join Date: 10/14/06 Business: Illusions: Masks and Unique Accessories Awards: 1	/me sideclicks... saves

01-04-2009, 05:59 PM	#185 (permalink)
Sobriquet Kryakutnoy Indulging Inaccuracy Snack time.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: United States Midwest Posts: 4,278 My Mood: XBOX Leaderboard: 33^rd Awards: 1	I can stop lowering Sobri's sliders whenever I want. DON'T JUDGE ME.

01-04-2009, 06:16 PM	#188 (permalink)
Richie Waves Joie de vivre! Is Three apples Tall Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Between Iraq and Israel Posts: 8,990 SL Join Date: 27/06/2005	that's pathetic... slap in the head would sort them out.

01-05-2009, 07:41 AM	#193 (permalink)
Katelynne Shippe Shockable SLU Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,140 My Mood: SL Join Date: July 2008	/me cannot stand the term 'real women'. I find it hard to top 100 pounds in RL, and whenever someone mentions being heavier as what a REAL WOMAN should look like, it makes me wince - am I unreal? Invisible? A child? What? Whatever weight a woman is, very heavy or very light or all those variants in between, it doesn't make her any more or any less 'real'.

01-05-2009, 08:54 AM	#195 (permalink)
Xiomara Mendes Not here to make friends I'm here for Brett Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Where people are shorter and live by the water Posts: 2,724 My Mood: SL Join Date: 01/10/07	OK, long rant coming up. This might get a little tl;dr... just warning y'all! While I am no fan of these pro-ana groups in rl or SL, you know what? If I were younger and somewhat more misguided, I'd probably join one of these groups too. I've struggled mightily with my weight my whole life- I'm the one who gains five pounds just thinking about carbs. I've been up and down the scale, and my weight has basically ranged from "could stand to lose a few pounds" to "obese". For all the naturally slender women who think that being excluded from the "real women" category is a kick in the teeth, try being told that your weight makes you ugly, stupid, lazy, unfeminine, undeserving of love, etc. I'd be thrilled to have the problems of a skinny woman any day. So how does this relate to my avatar? Well, for those of you who haven't seen my avi's pic for some reason, Xio is slender. I think she's pretty hot. Clothes fit her! She looks awesome in everything! She doesn't have to worry about her weight! There are those who probably think I'm superficial or conformist because my avatar is traditionally slender and pretty. Those people can bite me. Everyone needs to feel comfortable with their avatar, whether they're traditionally pretty, unusual, ugly on purpose, a shape shifter, whatever. __________________ NOBODY IN THIS HOUSE ORDERED ANY MILLIPEDES.

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