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Ari Blackthorne

Summer

Why do I need to go to every freakin website to get the scoop, why come here and just post the link..for god's sake man..at least give me a teaser paragraph!

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Hypatia Callisto

I'm not quite sure if what Minnu has done is even wrong, provided that she bought the textures in question. The license is not very clear on the issue, and the only mention of realtime 3d has to do with the now very outdated Metastream format. She does not make the texture available in an easily extracted form. The only part that seems to deal with it is mapping it to a flat plane, but then it's been uploaded at a low res and to a completely different UV set, that you couldn't in all seriousness reconstruct the original product from it. Yes it can be ripped, but you can't pull the original product from the sl textures.

So, I would definitely hesitate to call it theft, until I had faaar more info on the subject. The license may not even pass court scrutiny.

I can only ascertain that she used Danae's texture to create Generation 4. Whether she had the right to do this, is another question I can't really answer for sure. It's not a normal situation of rip and steal, here.

Of course this is assuming that Minnu bought it. If she didn't, well all bets are off. If she did, then this is a really complex situation. I know though, that most Poser texture artists don't make their textures to be used in anything but rendering in Poser. Many of them are pretty unaware of the full extent of the realtime applications of their talents.

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Hypatia Callisto

o hai!

now I have an overwhelming desire for waffles.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forum...ead_id=2739206

chaos kitteh haz ur dramaz postted.

Hypatia Callisto

smiles... guess I should take a V3 merchant resource I have for a while, and work up a nice Modo tutorial.

grin.

Hypatia Callisto

ah, more info...

"These files are copyrighted. The product can be used for commercial and non commercial renders. Do not redistribute in part or whole without the author's written consent."

This is in Danae's readme. Very clear. Minnu's got problems.

But it is not wrong to use Renderosity merchant resources licensed for use in games and texture creation.

Stephanie Misfit

Actually Hypatia, ANY Modo tutorials you could offer for texturing for SL would be so appreciated!

Dancien Graves

Luxology Forum > Modo to Second Life?


http://www.lovecraftforest.com/blog/


The second link seems to be a blog with alot of info about it.

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Stephanie Misfit

Thanks Dancien! I saw an SL skin tutorial for Modo a while back, I'll have to try and find the link for it again, unless someone else has it.

EDIT: Oh, it's Nichola Escher's of course http://nicolaescher.com/journal/arti...-avatar-part-1

Ten

You're completely right, Cindy. In fact, let's go find Minnu and ask her about all of this.

Or find her "lawyers" and ask for a comment.

Do you think that would work?

I'm not posting these images at the blog, but I'll post them here. They're new, from Danae via email. I'm tired, sunburned, and lazy, and don't feel like dragging this on loooongggerrrr at SCD. I haven't even been able to catch up on those even; WP has been down since I got home, updating their servers or something. How dare they provide me with better service.






Oh, and I also have to say that if people are going to "rake me over the coals", I have to be there to witness and be raked across said coals, don't I? I've been gone Conveniently.

--edit-- someone also IM'd me this link while I was away. I have to say it holds much less water than Danae's comparison images. http://i32.tinypic.com/idgex1.jpg

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CoyoteMomiji

Cindy, do you remember the whole dustup between Anton (of Apollo Max fame) and the guy who created Clark, wherein Anton accused him of ripping off pieces of AM's mesh?

If it were Anton (or someone like him) making accusations against Minnu, I'd roll my eyes - but I can't remember Danae ever making such a charge, and the evidence here is pretty damning.

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Hypatia Callisto

if Anton comes here, I'll make sure I haz my verbal AK-47 loaded. And suggest the rest of the forum do the same Loathe isn't a strong enough word to describe my feelings about him.

Oh, and Redgrave is in that other set of pics too, break out the drinks and popcorn, we're in for a major show

Cindy Claveau

I've said already that the evidence appears to be damning, so we agree on that part.

I've known about Danae for a long time through Renderosity. My impression of her has never been anything but a person of high standards who does dazzling work. Her standing in the Poser community speaks for itself.

But then again, I'm not the one who needs to pass a judgment here. This is for Minnu and Danae to work out, and "trial by press" has never been fair nor accurate - "trial by blog" is even more unfair, since blogs don't operate under the same journalistic standards as newspapers or television.

Mostly all such a faux trial does is pervert public opinion before all the facts are analyzed. If (admittedly a big if) Minnu is somehow able to clear herself, she'll have a huge hill to climb back to respectibility even if she did nothing wrong. How fair would that be?

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Ten

That "Alex from Halflife" pic was emailed to me from an alt, created 5.9.08 and its only shown group is my (known) alt's hair group, Fawn Fotherington. How odd. You'd think they were trying to tie themselves to me.

Siyu Suen

I can't be the only one who can't read the renderosity links whatsoever, right? Do I really have to register on a site I'll never visit just to know what people are talking about?

Quote things for the benefit of the lazy and I will send you luffs and fezzes

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Cindy Claveau

In the journalistic world, that's the only way this story would have ever seen the light of day. Of course, blogs operate differently. On a blog you can print anything you want without verification or sourcing. As opinion channels and community tools, they're great. As trustworthy news sources, they're severely wanting.

Minnu probably just didn't realize that her guilt or innocence rested on how she responded to a blogger. She'll learn, though.

Io Zeno

plz to show me how to make or steal skinz so I can make teh moniez.

Ten

Go register, it takes all of five minutes.

Cindy Claveau

Well since you put it that way!

It's a rather long thread which I won't copy here. But some pertinent excerpts:

(I really admire LadyElf, she's been active in Renderosity for several years).

So where's my luffs?!!