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My Mood: | Partnerships in Second Life - what are your thoughts? I've given a lot of thought to the romantic relationships in Second Life, and I would be so interested to hear other peoples' experiences and ideas. And by relationship I mean a one on one relationship - not polyamorous. A very abridged history: I avoided partnerships and full on romance for a long time, I was very happy just to flirt and chat and dance and have lots of fun. It was like reliving my twenties. ![]() But, during that time I watched a lot of my friends going through the intense emotional rollercoaster of SL relationships: The instant partnerships with the full on white wedding that would often end in tears after a few weeks or months. The couples that decided to meet in RL and take their relationship to that new level. The couples who were happy to be together virtually but were also married or partnered in RL. So what are the differences between an RL relationship and a virtual relationship? I guess what I've seen is that in this virtual world you don't get the snoring, or the bitching about housework, or the weekly grind of bills. You only get the *best* parts of a relationship. The intimate conversation, the excitement of exploring new things and ideas together, the honeymoon sex. The intensity of meeting within a limited time-frame, the pleasure (to some) of the clandestine nature of hiding the online relationship. But you also don;t get taste or touch or scent. In SL there is a greatly increased field for deception and infidelity compared to RL, which can eat away at the relationship just by virtue of the fact that the deception is so easy, if one or both of the people are insecure in themselves. I can't count how many people I know who have broken up a relationship because of infidelity via an alt. And without a fairly constant restoking of the relationship I have seen that the virtual relationship could have less substance than a RL relationship while conversely feeling more intense. And I have also seen that people will try to inject the idea of an RL meeting into a virtual relationship even if this isn't physically possible, as if by doing so they add some meat to what is essentially a phantom relationship, driven purely by the mind and emotions. But then, as a meeting almost purely of mind does this make a virtual relationship a 'higher plane' relationship, based less on looks and chemistry than it is by thought and the way those thoughts are communicated? Being in a relationship in SL has certainly taught me a lot about myself and how I interact. *sigh* sorry, my writing tends to be circular - no pun intended heh I do try to see all sides of this paradigm though, having watched relationships from the outside and now from the inside. ![]() I have probably written this too quickly and not expressed myself very well. But I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Business: Psyke's Defence Systems Blog Entries: 3 SLShopper Ads: 1 | I think you summed up a lot of it. I will comment on some things you didn't touch upon. First a clingy and/or needy relationships online goes very badly. Being stuck at a computer screen by either emotional bribery or the need of your own feelings can be destructive to real life and very disappointing in the end. From this comes the realisation that an online relationship has to be secondary to every aspect of real life. The vacuuming comes before the pixel bumping or your real life is on the path to destruction. The second thing is that online is fast and unlimited. It is impossible to control a person online because they have infinite avenues to persue their own other interests in people or things. So a good healthy online relationship is unconditional in its love.
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My Mood: | *peers and gets a sense of deja vu* Anyways..I am partnered in SL, and it's been a great experience so far. There are a few keys tho, that I think are important when it comes to certain relationships. Me and my partner are very open about things. We're both aware that social interaction is different in SL, it behaves different, it works differently. And we're both in it to enjoy ourselves, and we're both very anti-drama. We've known each other for almost a year before partnering, as well. Sharing an SL home now, too. In other words, we don't mind if one 'plays' with others, there is no jealousy, there is no drama, but a deep, deep friendship, trust and close-mindedness. We've been enjoying this for well over 6 months now, and I can say it's been a great experience all in all, but i've seen partnerships break up as fast as they formed (especially those that form after a mere month). In that regard, it behaves like RL...but a point my partner has brought up is pretty valid. SL, virtual worlds, means you meet alot more people alot quicker than in RL. It can stress relationships that formed too quickly, especially monogamous ones on several levels (another reason why we don't have one..we're too much of free spirits in the light of that kind of social frequency), and I can only have deep respect for those that manage to have a stable one like that. It just isn't for me. But despite what we do with who during the day should we be seperate during it, if we join again at the end..there's just a deep bond we both wouldn't want to miss. But, yes. All in all 1. Take your time before partnering. Really. 2. Communicate. Just like in RL, relationships die due to miscommunication or lack of any at all 3. Be in a relationship that you can enjoy to the fullest. 4. For some people virtual monogamy is better. For some, it isn't. Mixing two partners of opposite mindsets regarding it never works in the long run. The rapid frequency at which we meet interesting people in SL, often in the same place, tugs at a human's natural polygamy if they are of a mindset that allows for feeling attraction in cyberspace. It's a stress test for our modern society's single-partner-bonds tradition, more than any RL interactions even closely are. Be aware of that. Last edited by Chalice Yao; 05-06-2008 at 06:17 AM. |
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My Mood: | Polyamorous relationships seems to be the big *in* thing in SL now. People see how easy it is to get turned on or involved in another and turn right into polyamory. I've tried polyamorous relationships in SL and to me, they suck. I do not have that particular quality that is required to be in such a relationship, even as a First Girl on Gor I still had a hard time in poly-ships. For me, monogamy is best and most secure for my heart and mind. Last edited by Briana Dawson; 05-06-2008 at 07:24 PM. Reason: changed have to had - old habits die hard :P |
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experiment - nothing is
happening.......
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My Mood: | Yes Briana - polyamorous didn't work for me - it was emotionally exhausting. And I agree Chalice, that (for me anyway) a partnership needs to be based on a strong friendship. My partner and I have been close friends since last February and partnered last October. We haven't found a need, at least yet anyway, of turning outside the relationship. Very good point Psyke - neediness in *any* relationship - rl or sl is a recipe for disaster. errrr...but I'll take bumping pixels over vacuuming any day! Seriously, I agree RL always has to take precedence.Last edited by Circle Widdershins; 05-06-2008 at 07:30 AM. |
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I know several mongamous couples in SL and it's the sweetest thing. I just couldn't imagine it for me. Prolly for the same reasons.I'd not call polygamy in SL an 'in' thing tho..it's, as I stated (and you kinda did), just the result of the diffrent kind of faster social experience, human genetical imperatives (especially males have the natural urge to have as many partners as possible.) without RL society's 'morals', and the neighbors can't spread gossip about it ;P Tho I do assume that there is a bunch that only does it to be 'in' and to be 'part of the crowd'. And yes..it isn't and won't ever be every person's thing. Egads. It'd be kind of sad if we were all the same in any regard. ...that reminds me tho, polygamous and polyamorous is starting to get mixed up here :3 Last edited by Chalice Yao; 05-06-2008 at 07:41 AM. | |
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My Mood: | I call it an "IN" thing because I have watched it go from tiny numbers as in 4-5 people in SL in 2003 who were public at least - but SL was tiny then, to seeing it take hold in 2005 with the growth of Gor and D/s, and now in 2007 spreading throughout the general populace as an "SL Lifestyle". Not something they would dare do in RL, but oh so convenient in SL which is like some Buffet or Smörgåsbord of relationships and sexual encounters to be had that many do not wish to deprive themselves of. But not for it being a virtual world the majority would not be polyamorous in RL having long term sexually open relationships. This is why I see it as an "in thing" for SL. |
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My Mood: | Smörgåsbord..what? And yes, I actually must agree that alot of them probably would never do this in RL. If because of cultural or personal reasons is another matter :> Virtual worlds make living out fantasies so easy. My comments were more in regard to people who do it in SL not because it's a mere fantasy, but also because they can't do so in RL because of society's pressure. I actually wonder what the statistic between those two groups is..hmh. Also, as I mentioned, a little diffrence needs to be made between polyamory and polygamy. I actually consider myself monoamorous :> I couldn't imagine having the relationship I have with my partner with another person at the same time (polyamory = multiple love) ever, yet I can happily do the polygamy thing. and I for one can say in SL as well as RL. :> (That kind of relationship is also what caused swinger clubs to boom so much. Most clientele are happily monoamorous, married couples. Tho I must say I've never been in one. Not my kind of making such acquantances.) |
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My Mood: | Yes, much of the above is absolutely right. I'm in a SL relationship, we are together for 10 months now. I guess we have some rules about it, some since we started some develloped along the way, its a common ground in wich we both believe: - We are together in SL but we will not try to meet in RL, - RL must be in first place than SL for both of us, - we are monogamic (not a rule really, but we don´t feel the need not to be), Sometimes friends say to us that 10 months its a long time in SL. I don´t know, I've seen a lot of couples with problems that I think we don´t have because besides caring a lot for eachother, we do respect oneanother, and never do anything that hurt eachother. Sometimes there is a bit of jealous but even that only a bit, not much (I guess we are so good togheter we both know that there is no need for anyone else). He is a great guy, and I'm lucky having him in my life, because we love eachother but also we are friends and companions, we help and support oneanother. It has been great, and has a poet said: I wish it is forever while it lasts
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My Mood: | 10 months in SL truely can be an eternety, especially for relationships :> Congrats. SL is strange that way. On the one hand, time flies by so quickly, on the other hand one SL week is like a RL month in terms of things happening. Might be only my weird mind tho. |
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My Mood: | I knew my partner a while before getting married. We talked and played and loved and I found out what a wonderful person he was before taking the plunge. I'll admit, I wanted a wedding so bad I could taste it..with all the fun things that go into it. But what I wanted more was to have this person in my life for the long run. (And to have him to myself )) I've seen others partner and "de"partner in weeks, even days and I couldn't understand why they took it so casually. Were they play acting or were they desperate to have someone in their partner box? Asher and I have been partnered now for nearly a year, we've had our ups and downs, but we usually fall over each other trying to please the other. I'm glad he proposed and doubly glad I accepted. And now that we've even met IRL and had a blast, we've made plans to spend the summer together. Now the real test of everyday nearness comes into play. Stinky morning breath, bed head, PMS, inability to cook well, my dog.. his cat and snoring notwithstanding, I know I made a good decision. |
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SL Join Date: Dec 2006 | My thoughts so far are that this all sounds rather unpleasant. I think I'll stay reclusive and in blissful ignorance on my build platform. I wish you all the best of luck and happiness. |
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Is watching Schroedinger's
cat... O.O .. Huh - boring
experiment - nothing is
happening.......
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My Mood: | Haha, the mention of marriage reminds me of how the partnering proposal between me and my partner went.. We have a playful habit of telling the other how much 'you suck'. Sounds weird? Hey, we're a crazy couple , and we started it way before the partnering. So, on the day we got a home together (which was also before the partnering), I made the decision..and had the partnership request mail sent out.The only line was 'Do you suck? (yes/no/ohai)' Of course the clicked reply was yes ^^ So many people go when we tell that story and they expect a tale of an epic marriage. We just don't have a thing for formalities.p.s. I think the answer email had 'Yarrr!' in it. And yes..yes, one of my most romantic moments in SL followed inworld ![]() Last edited by Chalice Yao; 05-06-2008 at 08:16 AM. |
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My Mood: | Me and my partner never had a wedding - but he did organise a surprise ring exchange party with our close friends, about a week after we partnered on his balcony. aaaawwwwww ![]() |
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SL Join Date: January 2007 | My experiences and my needs from SL have proven that any type of serious intimate relationship is not for me. SL is strictly Fun Time. |
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