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Rooke Ayres · 05-05-2008, 09:57 PM

FYI:

Hot off the presses: Per the Official LL Blogs:

Changes to Groups: New Rules on Group Notices ...

As part of our ongoing effort to provide you with the highest quality Second Life experience possible…we have identified and tested an issue that should help alleviate load on the databases.

:: 1. Starting Tuesday, 6 May, 2008, all group notices that are older than 14 days will be removed from storage in the database. (Notices were previously held for 31 days.) The reason for this change is to help reduce load on the database. Note: Nearly *every* group that uses notices in Second Life will be effected by this change, which will be ongoing.

:: 2. Groups will now be limited to 200 notices *per group* each day. Older messages, over the 200th, will be regularly removed from storage in the database. There are about 135 groups we expect will be impacted by this limit. The owner of each of these groups should see a message in-world Tuesday, notifying them of the change.

Please note that in both cases this process would remove the *oldest* notices, if any. This will start on Tuesday 6 May, 2008, and is intended to help stabilize the databases.

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I'm not sure what the effect of this will be for people that control large groups or send a lot of notices. The first person that came to mind was Sarah ( Love those Freebies!

). Is anybody else going to be affected (good or bad) by this?

Any remarks, comments, good, bad, eh, meh, phewey?

(btw, this has been a public service announcement)

Dnate Mars · 05-05-2008, 10:01 PM

Makes sense to me.

Travis Lambert · 05-05-2008, 10:04 PM

135 Groups send in excess of 200 Notices per day???

Damn... glad I'm not in those groups!

Ten · 05-05-2008, 10:04 PM

Wow, that's, um, really fucking awesome for Fashcon.

Jesus christ, Linden Lab finds yet another way to fuck groups.

Joshua Nightshade · 05-05-2008, 10:09 PM

I'm so happy.

Sobriquet Kryakutnoy · 05-05-2008, 10:27 PM

Yes, it's going to kill FashCon

Not sure how they will cope. Maybe they can move to designers submitting updates to an active officer who will consolidate everything into an hourly notecard or something?

Though notecards would only be able to contain text and images, no objects, yes?

Perhaps they will have to move to subscribe-o-matic or another web-based system.

As it stands I imagine tons of groups like FashCon are going to suddenly see a massive rush of notices every night at midnight SLT. Which I'll bet is going to extremely tax the asset server

EDIT: So as not to be misunderstood, I have no idea if/how Honey and the other Fashcon people are planning on dealing with this new restriction, these are just my personal musings on the matter, as FashCon was the first group that came to my mind which would be effected.

Darien Caldwell · 05-05-2008, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobriquet Kryakutnoy

Yes, it's going to kill FashCon

Not sure how they will cope. Maybe they can move to designers submitting updates to an active officer who will consolidate everything into an hourly notecard or something?

Though notecards would only be able to contain text and images, no objects, yes?

Perhaps they will have to move to subscribe-o-matic or another web-based system.

As it stands I imagine tons of groups like FashCon are going to suddenly see a massive rush of notices every night at midnight SLT. Which I'll bet is going to extremely tax the asset server

Great...

But really, if a group is sending out that many notices a day, they need to move it out of SL anyway. A mailing list would be good. Email can handle hundreds (thousands?) of messages a day. And best of all you can archive and be selective on what you view. Even allow HTML and/or attachments if you want.

Bams · 05-06-2008, 01:37 AM

There's groups that send more than 200 notices in a day?

Psyke Phaeton · 05-06-2008, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bams

There's groups that send more than 200 notices in a day?

You didn't join the "FreeAsianPornWinACarViagraFreeBiggerPenis" group?

Chalice Yao · 05-06-2008, 05:30 AM

Holy..

groups have been sending over -200- -notices- per day?

Um, that'd be 8.3 notices per hour. Or
roughly a notice every 7 minutes. And that's the new limit, groups have been going higher. What the -hell-?

Seriously, if groups like FashCon have been sending that much..they really need to get a mailing list done. Better archiving, better searching, independence from LL comms, images in mails, added SLURLs to click, links to blogs that are copy and pastable.. and it won't stress the heck out of the network. Sending a group notice to all members every couple of minutes throughout the grid? They need to be send to every damn sim a member is in (remember, people have only one connection to SL, and that's the current sim). I guess often enough several times. For that to happen, database lookups need to be done for every member's location and online status, before sending each targetted message that needs to make its way through the routing of the LL network, and those groups probably are the opposite of small. And those people cry about bad grid performance...

In their defense tho, LL should make it clearer just how much effort each kind of communication, rezzing, lookup etc. actually means on the system. It'd open some people's eyes for things they just don't get told.

Eata · 05-06-2008, 05:45 AM

Obvious problem, notices are trying to be used for two different implementations. They were designed for infrequent "message of the day" style updates but a lot of groups use them as a constant stream of status updates.

They should keep notices but also add a new kind of message, something more like RSS Feeds. So you have tagged types of messages and group users can choose what kind they recieve so you can be in whatever group and still get the important announcements but opt out of the hourly DJ messages.

Briana Dawson · 05-06-2008, 06:01 AM

I have a friend with a club that just opened so she invited me into the group. They had a 12 hour party, with notices going out 2-3 times an hour. I left the group by the 7th hour of the party. Building with constant group notices popping up bites and when it covers your very needed inventory window at the same time, it bites even more.

I cannot fathom the need for 200 group messages in a day.

Support for Healing gave off about 4-6 while i was on yesterday and that alone annoyed me.

Why can we not just turn off group notices and be done with it? Even better, send group notices to Local Chat, automatically declining attachments. Oh that just gets my giddy.

detrius · 05-06-2008, 06:48 AM

I love that option.

...now, if LL could add a "mute"-function for group chat...

Rooke Ayres · 05-06-2008, 07:34 AM

I agree with Chalice...

My wife gets Fashcon notices all day, and I don't think even they send out as many as 200 a day. Maybe two or three an hour at most.

I don't think the fashionistas or most anyone else have anything to worry about this non-event - although I have to wonder what in the world is being sent around by the 135 groups that will be affected.

Kristian · 05-06-2008, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ten

Wow, that's, um, really fucking awesome for Fashcon.

Jesus christ, Linden Lab finds yet another way to bandage their system at the expensive a small minority of users.

Fixed.

Walker Moore · 05-06-2008, 07:48 AM

I've never heard of Fashcon.

Vaelissa Cortes · 05-06-2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker Moore

I've never heard of Fashcon.

It is the most annoying group ever...I have had "recieve group notices" off and sometimes recheck it on and then back off just to make sure, the group is also not listed in my profile, yet I still get a billion notices a day. Wonderful feature indeed :/.

Kristian · 05-06-2008, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker Moore

I've never heard of Fashcon.

My female alt was in it.

Imagine signing up to be hit with group notices constantly. It's like that. At least it's not the goddamn french. My femme has a very french sounding name and gets french group invites constantly.

Ten · 05-06-2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detrius

I love that option.

...now, if LL could add a "mute"-function for group chat...

Actually, THAT option doesn't work for me. I get the notices anyway.

Lucifer Baphomet · 05-06-2008, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker Moore

I've never heard of Fashcon.

Fashcon..

Its an acronym

Fascist convention.

Its a cover for white power/ neo nazi groups, and they send coded messages via notice.

05-05-2008, 09:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rooke Ayres Teh Hippie... Thinks the World has Gone Totally Bonkers. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Top of California Posts: 1,074 SL Join Date: Dec 30, 2006 Business: The Rooke's Nest SLShopper Ads: 12 My Mood:	Changes to Groups: New Rules on Group Notices FYI: Hot off the presses: Per the Official LL Blogs: Changes to Groups: New Rules on Group Notices ... As part of our ongoing effort to provide you with the highest quality Second Life experience possible…we have identified and tested an issue that should help alleviate load on the databases. :: 1. Starting Tuesday, 6 May, 2008, all group notices that are older than 14 days will be removed from storage in the database. (Notices were previously held for 31 days.) The reason for this change is to help reduce load on the database. Note: Nearly every group that uses notices in Second Life will be effected by this change, which will be ongoing. :: 2. *Groups will now be limited to 200 notices per group* each day. Older messages, over the 200th, will be regularly removed from storage in the database.** There are about 135 groups we expect will be impacted by this limit. The owner of each of these groups should see a message in-world Tuesday, notifying them of the change. Please note that in both cases this process would remove the oldest notices, if any. This will start on Tuesday 6 May, 2008, and is intended to help stabilize the databases. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not sure what the effect of this will be for people that control large groups or send a lot of notices. The first person that came to mind was Sarah ( Love those Freebies! ). Is anybody else going to be affected (good or bad) by this? Any remarks, comments, good, bad, eh, meh, phewey? (btw, this has been a public service announcement) __________________ Have a good one! Visit The Rooke's Nest on Solare II. Bold Jewelry, Glasses, Pendants, Pictures, and Shiny Things (Follow the beacon) You can also see my items at Xstreet SL

05-05-2008, 10:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sobriquet Kryakutnoy Beautiful Monster Toenail of Satan's Spartan Institute of Higher Education Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,543 Business: Smock-huffing My Mood: Awards: 1	Yes, it's going to kill FashCon Not sure how they will cope. Maybe they can move to designers submitting updates to an active officer who will consolidate everything into an hourly notecard or something? Though notecards would only be able to contain text and images, no objects, yes? Perhaps they will have to move to subscribe-o-matic or another web-based system. As it stands I imagine tons of groups like FashCon are going to suddenly see a massive rush of notices every night at midnight SLT. Which I'll bet is going to extremely tax the asset server EDIT: So as not to be misunderstood, I have no idea if/how Honey and the other Fashcon people are planning on dealing with this new restriction, these are just my personal musings on the matter, as FashCon was the first group that came to my mind which would be effected. Last edited by Sobriquet Kryakutnoy; 05-05-2008 at 11:30 PM.

05-06-2008, 01:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
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05-06-2008, 05:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Chalice Yao The Purple Kinda at work. Somewhat. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somewhere purple, Germany Posts: 737 My Mood:	Holy.. groups have been sending over -200- -notices- per day? Um, that'd be 8.3 notices per hour. Or roughly a notice every 7 minutes. And that's the new limit, groups have been going higher. What the -hell-? Seriously, if groups like FashCon have been sending that much..they really need to get a mailing list done. Better archiving, better searching, independence from LL comms, images in mails, added SLURLs to click, links to blogs that are copy and pastable.. and it won't stress the heck out of the network. Sending a group notice to all members every couple of minutes throughout the grid? They need to be send to every damn sim a member is in (remember, people have only one connection to SL, and that's the current sim). I guess often enough several times. For that to happen, database lookups need to be done for every member's location and online status, before sending each targetted message that needs to make its way through the routing of the LL network, and those groups probably are the opposite of small. And those people cry about bad grid performance... In their defense tho, LL should make it clearer just how much effort each kind of communication, rezzing, lookup etc. actually means on the system. It'd open some people's eyes for things they just don't get told. Last edited by Chalice Yao; 05-06-2008 at 05:43 AM.

05-06-2008, 06:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
detrius Senior Member spoiled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 822 My Mood:	I love that option. ...now, if LL could add a "mute"-function for group chat... __________________ "V Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy." Last edited by detrius; 05-06-2008 at 07:01 AM.

05-05-2008, 10:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Travis Lambert Sheltered Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pontiac, MI Posts: 337 SL Join Date: 6-03-2004 My Mood:	135 Groups send in excess of 200 Notices per day??? Damn... glad I'm not in those groups!

05-05-2008, 10:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,224 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	I'm so happy.

05-06-2008, 05:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
Eata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 407 Memory Cats Champion! Cone Crazy 2 Champion! My Mood:	Obvious problem, notices are trying to be used for two different implementations. They were designed for infrequent "message of the day" style updates but a lot of groups use them as a constant stream of status updates. They should keep notices but also add a new kind of message, something more like RSS Feeds. So you have tagged types of messages and group users can choose what kind they recieve so you can be in whatever group and still get the important announcements but opt out of the hourly DJ messages.

05-06-2008, 06:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Briana Dawson Banned Loved by printesa Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 3,405 SL Join Date: September 23, 2003 Business: N&B Exports My Mood: Awards: 1	I have a friend with a club that just opened so she invited me into the group. They had a 12 hour party, with notices going out 2-3 times an hour. I left the group by the 7th hour of the party. Building with constant group notices popping up bites and when it covers your very needed inventory window at the same time, it bites even more. I cannot fathom the need for 200 group messages in a day. Support for Healing gave off about 4-6 while i was on yesterday and that alone annoyed me. Why can we not just turn off group notices and be done with it? Even better, send group notices to Local Chat, automatically declining attachments. Oh that just gets my giddy.

05-06-2008, 07:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
Rooke Ayres Teh Hippie... Thinks the World has Gone Totally Bonkers. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Top of California Posts: 1,074 SL Join Date: Dec 30, 2006 Business: The Rooke's Nest SLShopper Ads: 12 My Mood:	I agree with Chalice... My wife gets Fashcon notices all day, and I don't think even they send out as many as 200 a day. Maybe two or three an hour at most. I don't think the fashionistas or most anyone else have anything to worry about this non-event - although I have to wonder what in the world is being sent around by the 135 groups that will be affected.

05-06-2008, 07:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
Walker Moore Invisible Man Alpha Inside (tm) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 7,493 Doom Rider Champion! SL Join Date: 13 MAY 06 My Mood:	I've never heard of Fashcon.

05-06-2008, 08:49 AM	#21 (permalink)
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