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william Fish · 10-10-2007, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

I'll probably be around for awhile. Right now, what's keeping me in SL are my wonderful friends, you included Pers.

If I leave, it will be incrementally. I have decided to NOT buy anymore land [I have always wanted to won a whole sim. I nolonger think its worth it, to me.] As my dissatisfaction increases, I will just start selling off my land, either incrementally or all at once.

If it continues to get worse, I WILL leave. If some good competition becomes available, I WILL leave. I think, so far as I am concerned, 2008 is th emake or break year for LL. Unless I see actual, verifyable, credible efforts to improve performance, I doubt if I will be in SL in 2009.

Sooz

I couldnt of agreed anymore with you! I've been saying this for about 6 months now... infact i really can't wait till something else comes along.

william Fish · 10-10-2007, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Zaius

Just dug through the rumours on SLI and SLH - looks like just that, rumours. LL promised to keep prices the same until 2008, and also give 60 days notice of changes. They may announce a change soon though.

when's the last time LL promised something? better yet when's the last time they came through with it?

FlipperPA Peregrine · 10-10-2007, 09:16 AM

I hate to say it, but every year around this time people have been predicting LL's demise and saying "year X is the make-or-break year." I think it may have been true, but they've made it every time.

In 2003, people were predicting 1.2 would be the end of the world, with prim limits, land tier, and so forth. Instead, it turned out to be the basis of the economy we all know today which has flourished. Since then, land barons, months on end of grid instability, free accounts, 1.7's instability, all have been overcome.

Somehow, it survives.

Regards,

-Flip

prinţesă nină · 10-10-2007, 09:41 AM

overcome? i must have missed that.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 10-10-2007, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prinţesă nină

overcome? i must have missed that.

Did Linden Lab go out of business and I missed it? Did Second Life stop growing at a phenomenal rate, or regress? Nope.

For every person that drops out or tiers back, historically, there have been more than one to take their place. The first "dip" ever was over the past summer, and they seem to have recovered pretty quickly.

Regards,

-Flip

prinţesă nină · 10-10-2007, 10:26 AM

it is my opinion that there is a vast difference between 'overcoming' grid instability and such, and barely chugging along.
youre very confident, linden may be arrogantly confident, but the competition hasnt landed just yet.
all im going to say on this topic.

Khamon · 10-10-2007, 10:37 AM

December 9, 2003

December 7, 2004

November 22, 2005

November 12, 2006

FlipperPA Peregrine · 10-10-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

December 9, 2003

December 7, 2004

November 22, 2005

November 12, 2006

HA! Exactly.

zOMG, the sky is still falling! Sometimes I think we're the "community that cried wolf" - I've been hearing about SL's demise for years now, and while I agree its hardly a stable, mature product, I've given up on the doomsayers.

Of course, if LL or SL does eventually go under, I fully expect all of them to say, "told ya so", even after all these years.

Regards,

-Flip

Khamon · 10-10-2007, 11:11 AM

everybody has a Medusa except the khamon sigh

Sooz Pascale · 10-10-2007, 12:46 PM

Flip, theBIG difference is that in the past, SL was the only game in town. There was no where else to go if you really wanted a similar experience. This, of course, is much of what has fueled and continues to fuel LL's collective arrogance.

Times do change, my friends, and the SL monopoly WILL end some day. I believe that WHEN decent competition comes along, there will be a FLOOD of people and money out of SL.

I can be wrong, I've been wrong before. I HOPE I am wrong this time, but I stand by my prediction. Competition combined with LL's unbridled arrogance and unwillingness and/or inability to correct annoying and bothersome issues will cause them SERIOUS problems.

Also, by "make or break" I did not necessarily mean their demise could happen in 2008. when I meant was that the seeds of disaster have been sown and if LL does NOT address these issues in a satisfactory way in 2008, they will be far less succesful than would have been had they done so.

I dont see them really going broke or folding. I see them probably in second or third place in virtual worlds similar to SL in the future. Someone who is SMARTER and has a better business model will take the lead.

Sooz

Aimee Weber · 10-10-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

HA! Exactly.

zOMG, the sky is still falling! Sometimes I think we're the "community that cried wolf" - I've been hearing about SL's demise for years now, and while I agree its hardly a stable, mature product, I've given up on the doomsayers.

Of course, if LL or SL does eventually go under, I fully expect all of them to say, "told ya so", even after all these years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khamon

December 9, 2003

December 7, 2004

November 22, 2005

November 12, 2006

This reminds me of Amy Weebler's predictions for 2007:
http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/200...e-predictions/

"People will predict Linden Lab's imminent demise with TWICE the furious rhetoric that they had in 2006, 2005, 2004, AND 2003!"

That Weebler is like Nostradamus!

william Fish · 10-10-2007, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

I hate to say it, but every year around this time people have been predicting LL's demise and saying "year X is the make-or-break year." I think it may have been true, but they've made it every time.

In 2003, people were predicting 1.2 would be the end of the world, with prim limits, land tier, and so forth. Instead, it turned out to be the basis of the economy we all know today which has flourished. Since then, land barons, months on end of grid instability, free accounts, 1.7's instability, all have been overcome.

Somehow, it survives.

Regards,

-Flip

not to mention land bots... didnt know they still exsisted lol Date: 2007-10-10 10:57:06
Type: Land Sale
Desc: 2048
Source: ROBO Marx

maybe it's a real person... dunno... but nearly 4 hours later, robo marx doesnt own the land anymore. Weird.

william Fish · 10-10-2007, 06:04 PM

lol @ amy weebler. I really like

"#8. Linden Lab will be sold to Google, who will ALSO be unable to get search to work properly."

Thunder Lardner · 10-11-2007, 12:45 AM

all i can say is LL is not done with there troubles yet and yes i am the real Thunder Lardner.

Aimee Weber · 10-11-2007, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by william Fish

lol @ amy weebler. I really like

"#8. Linden Lab will be sold to Google, who will ALSO be unable to get search to work properly."

Don't encourage her!!!

prinţesă nină · 10-11-2007, 02:08 AM

isnt robo marx is an adcutter of the worst magnitude?

william Fish · 10-11-2007, 04:56 AM

so i've noticed. Like i mentioned the land is "sold" to someone else already... who inturn has chopped up the land to small bits (it was only 2048m2 to begin with) and is now selling it on some auction page of theirs. Worst yet... people are actually buying it. weird.

Tammy Nowotny · 08-26-2008, 11:12 AM

Robo Marx made what seems to me to be a bonehead move. Two of them actually.

Maggie Linden gave him some crap in a private IM session while dealing with complaints about him placing ban lines on 16 sqm parcels which he never uses. So, #1. he posted the chat log on his own blog. Aside from being a TOS violation if he did that without her permission, the chat log reflected very badly on him. And #2., he took the ban lines BUT replaced them with casino ads. And casinos are totally against the rules (unless you operate them on a non-LL server which currently means you would have to have them one of IBM's sims. Robo is not affiliated with IBM, as far as I know.)

I ARed his sorry little butt.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 08-26-2008, 11:51 AM

It is not against the rules to post chat logs on servers that are outside of Linden Lab's control. It is only illegal to post chat logs on the official SL forums or blogs.

Casinos are clearly banned, but recently the Linden response was somewhat hazy.

And by the way, holy necropost, Batman!

Joshua Nightshade · 08-26-2008, 11:52 AM

Ugh necroing!

Cristiano · 08-26-2008, 12:05 PM

Closed -off topic necroposting.

10-10-2007, 09:16 AM	#128 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,206 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	I hate to say it, but every year around this time people have been predicting LL's demise and saying "year X is the make-or-break year." I think it may have been true, but they've made it every time. In 2003, people were predicting 1.2 would be the end of the world, with prim limits, land tier, and so forth. Instead, it turned out to be the basis of the economy we all know today which has flourished. Since then, land barons, months on end of grid instability, free accounts, 1.7's instability, all have been overcome. Somehow, it survives. Regards, -Flip __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

10-10-2007, 10:37 AM	#132 (permalink)
Khamon Taco's Grammar Slave Some Flowers and Trees Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,894 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens Flowers and Trees SLShopper Ads: 2 My Mood:	December 9, 2003 December 7, 2004 November 22, 2005 November 12, 2006 __________________ Please Visit Our Gardens and Our Website

10-10-2007, 12:46 PM	#135 (permalink)
Sooz Pascale Transgendered & FUN!!!! I Can Make Your Day Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,556 My Mood:	Flip, theBIG difference is that in the past, SL was the only game in town. There was no where else to go if you really wanted a similar experience. This, of course, is much of what has fueled and continues to fuel LL's collective arrogance. Times do change, my friends, and the SL monopoly WILL end some day. I believe that WHEN decent competition comes along, there will be a FLOOD of people and money out of SL. I can be wrong, I've been wrong before. I HOPE I am wrong this time, but I stand by my prediction. Competition combined with LL's unbridled arrogance and unwillingness and/or inability to correct annoying and bothersome issues will cause them SERIOUS problems. Also, by "make or break" I did not necessarily mean their demise could happen in 2008. when I meant was that the seeds of disaster have been sown and if LL does NOT address these issues in a satisfactory way in 2008, they will be far less succesful than would have been had they done so. I dont see them really going broke or folding. I see them probably in second or third place in virtual worlds similar to SL in the future. Someone who is SMARTER and has a better business model will take the lead. Sooz __________________ 5.5 on the highly scientific Troutometer scale.

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10-10-2007, 09:41 AM	#129 (permalink)
prinţesă nină Banned adores her psycho Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: melbourne Posts: 4,360 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	overcome? i must have missed that.

10-10-2007, 10:26 AM	#131 (permalink)
prinţesă nină Banned adores her psycho Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: melbourne Posts: 4,360 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	it is my opinion that there is a vast difference between 'overcoming' grid instability and such, and barely chugging along. youre very confident, linden may be arrogantly confident, but the competition hasnt landed just yet. all im going to say on this topic.

10-10-2007, 11:11 AM	#134 (permalink)
Khamon Taco's Grammar Slave Some Flowers and Trees Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,894 SL Join Date: November, 2003 Business: Fate Gardens Flowers and Trees SLShopper Ads: 2 My Mood:	everybody has a Medusa except the khamon sigh

10-10-2007, 06:04 PM	#138 (permalink)
william Fish Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76 My Mood:	lol @ amy weebler. I really like "#8. Linden Lab will be sold to Google, who will ALSO be unable to get search to work properly."

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Thunder Lardner Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1 My Mood:	all i can say is LL is not done with there troubles yet and yes i am the real Thunder Lardner.

10-11-2007, 02:08 AM	#141 (permalink)
prinţesă nină Banned adores her psycho Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: melbourne Posts: 4,360 SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	isnt robo marx is an adcutter of the worst magnitude?

10-11-2007, 04:56 AM	#142 (permalink)
william Fish Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76 My Mood:	so i've noticed. Like i mentioned the land is "sold" to someone else already... who inturn has chopped up the land to small bits (it was only 2048m2 to begin with) and is now selling it on some auction page of theirs. Worst yet... people are actually buying it. weird.

08-26-2008, 11:12 AM	#143 (permalink)
Tammy Nowotny Member Status Seeker Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 53 My Mood:	Robo Marx made what seems to me to be a bonehead move. Two of them actually. Maggie Linden gave him some crap in a private IM session while dealing with complaints about him placing ban lines on 16 sqm parcels which he never uses. So, #1. he posted the chat log on his own blog. Aside from being a TOS violation if he did that without her permission, the chat log reflected very badly on him. And #2., he took the ban lines BUT replaced them with casino ads. And casinos are totally against the rules (unless you operate them on a non-LL server which currently means you would have to have them one of IBM's sims. Robo is not affiliated with IBM, as far as I know.) I ARed his sorry little butt.

08-26-2008, 11:51 AM	#144 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 5,206 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	It is not against the rules to post chat logs on servers that are outside of Linden Lab's control. It is only illegal to post chat logs on the official SL forums or blogs. Casinos are clearly banned, but recently the Linden response was somewhat hazy. And by the way, holy necropost, Batman!

08-26-2008, 11:52 AM	#145 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,229 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Ugh necroing!