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Old 04-27-2008, 02:42 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Do you go to the bug triage meetings inworld? If so, how do you reconcile the way Lindens there speak of prioritizing and assigning bugs in their internal Jira system, with your assertion that no one assigns work at LL? The way they speak about it is in line with every other software group I've ever been part of. I've never heard a Linden say: oh wait, so-and-so refuses to fix bugs.
What day and time and what loc Nika? I will go each week. I would love to listen, learn, participate and contribute in those meetings. I have a very strong strategic background and I would love to be, minimally, a fly on the wall.

Ready, willing and able. All I need is time and place.

Now if the meeting is CLOSED, and we are dependent on how the Lindens SPEAK of prioritizing and assigning bugs in their internal Jira system ... well, the trust is not there, and was blown to smithereens long ago. What ARE the triage priorities if we must depend on the Lindens to communicate the process? What prohibitions are in place to hold work on any bell or whistle that may add to the already bad asset server problems? Where on the triage list is "making the current customer experience more smooth and transparent in ways large and small"? Versus, we need a little more purple on the sunset and we really need true reflective surfaces (mirror windows) so we can reflect objects in them too?

Once again, time and place please. I'll be there.

If the meetings are closed, I think you may owe Coco a bit of an apology. As I said earlier, and as others here have said, in the absence of concrete supporting evidence, believe NOTHING that a Linden says. Trust once lost is generally gone for good. Linden trust is SO gone.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:51 PM   #152 (permalink)
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However, everything else I've ever read from any of the Lindens - including the words of the new CEO - indicates that does not happen.
With respect to the new CEO, are you perhaps referring to this quote from the Reuters story?
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Kingdon added that he plans to “magnify the very best” of Linden Lab’s quirky corporate culture, which currently allows employees to choose which projects they want to work on.

“But, I also believe that in highly creative, innovative cultures, that people have to be voluntarily aligned with a direction. As much as possible it’s essential that they choose their focus,” he said.
First, note that the reporter's take on the Tao is similar to mine - employees can choose projects. Once part of a project though (which probably involves 2-15 people or so), in all organizations I've been part of, you do what needs to be done. There may be negotiations ("OK, I will do shit work for 6-8 months, but then I'd like to work on something new"), but overall engineers on a project do what they're asked to do.

And I interpret Kingdon's statement as backing down somewhat from the Tao. Obviously, if you want to engage people's creative energies (and even in bug fixing there is creativity, ask Nicholaz), they have to agree with the overall direction. "As much as possible" is, in my book, an equivocation - if I worked at LL, I'd be prepared for more concrete role assignment under Kingdon's watch.
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What day and time and what loc Nika? I will go each week. I would love to listen, learn, participate and contribute in those meetings. I have a very strong strategic background and I would love to be, minimally, a fly on the wall.
Well, bugs are discussed at several open meetings, but here is a major meeting for sorting pJira bugs into the internal Jira: Bug triage - Second Life Wiki

Obviously very open. Be aware that this meeting is very geeky, by necessity. It's a working meeting limited to an hour, and the agenda (list of bugs) is set ahead of time. Then some bugs can be added at the start of the meeting at the request of participants. When their plate is full, the meeting must move quickly. I sat in just listening to a meeting before I attempted to participate, just to get the feel of it. And I personally don't go unless I have a specific issue to investigate.
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With respect to the new CEO, are you perhaps referring to this quote from the Reuters story?First, note that the reporter's take on the Tao is similar to mine - employees can choose projects. Once part of a project though (which probably involves 2-15 people or so), in all organizations I've been part of, you do what needs to be done. There may be negotiations ("OK, I will do shit work for 6-8 months, but then I'd like to work on something new"), but overall engineers on a project do what they're asked to do.

And I interpret Kingdon's statement as backing down somewhat from the Tao. Obviously, if you want to engage people's creative energies (and even in bug fixing there is creativity, ask Nicholaz), they have to agree with the overall direction. "As much as possible" is, in my book, an equivocation - if I worked at LL, I'd be prepared for more concrete role assignment under Kingdon's watch.
Every time I see "Kingdon" I read "Klingon!" hahaha

Yes, I refer to that quote. However, I read somewhere else someone saying that translated from Corporate Speak, that quote could really mean, "Get with the program and decide you want to work on what we want you to work on, or look for another job."

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However, I read somewhere else someone saying that transfered from Corporate Speak, that quote could really mean, "Get with the program and decide you want to work on what we want you to work on, or look for another job."
HAHA well, that's a little further than I was willing to go, but yes. Kingdon's words are a definite gesture in that direction, particularly given that he still had Rosedale standing at his elbow.

What Kingdon will say when speaking to important technical folks when Rosedale is NOT in the room remains to be seen. I don't think it's his style to play hardball bluntly. He probably won't have to --- he's obvioulsy a VERY good salesman.
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