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Old 04-23-2008, 09:15 AM   #76 (permalink)
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It's a good thing you quickly clarified that incendiary first statement. Nobody disses Judi without getting hurt.


But you're still on probation.

uh, you mean you DO want him to look like Judi Dench?
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:36 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Yes, what Second Life needs is marketers more than anything.

I worked with Organic years ago. They're the ones responsible for the proliferation of banner ads. They had a tool that only ran under IE4 with Java on Windows 98: no cross-platform compatibility, and reliability on par with SL.

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Yes, what Second Life needs is marketers more than anything.

I worked with Organic years ago. They're the ones responsible for the proliferation of banner ads. They had a tool that only ran under IE4 with Java on Windows 98: no cross-platform compatibility, and reliability on par with SL.

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Old 04-23-2008, 10:28 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Yes, what Second Life needs is marketers more than anything.

I worked with Organic years ago. They're the ones responsible for the proliferation of banner ads. They had a tool that only ran under IE4 with Java on Windows 98: no cross-platform compatibility, and reliability on par with SL.

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Wouldn't the name B.M. Linden be more appropriate for a marketing guy?

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It's a good thing you quickly clarified that incendiary first statement. Nobody disses Judi without getting hurt.


But you're still on probation.

at 2055 posts? Jeez, you people are tough!
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Do y'all think this guy understands that Linden Lab is providing a software-based entertainment service?

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But I always also hoped that with our public message out there, maybe the right person would actually just come to us...But I thought maybe it would happen and turn out to be the perfect person. It was!
He *does* apparently appreciate the art of jacking into Philip's latte.
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(1) I worry about what Flipper worries about. This seems to be a marketing guy whose thing is telling real-life businesses how to sell stuff to people like us.

(2) I don't understand the MOU connection.

(3) I think people are hoping heads will roll, but I'm afraid the main heads that will roll will be ours, as usual. Or, more appropriately stated, we will find ourselves often lopped off at the knees, as usual.

(4) I'm afraid that if Philip is going to handle the technology, SL will continue to be unstable and unreliable. (Though I am very much in the mindset of hoping this has just been a particularly bad spell, and I'm hanging in there. I have hope it will be stable again.)

(5) Altogether it strikes me as business as usual, with more focus on the real-life businesses, and facilitating their advertising, as well as a more international focus regarding residents.

(6) People point to something he wrote, a 3-point thing about that included "listening to the customers" and "respecting the customers." But what people apparently didn't notice is when he wrote that, he was writing it to outside corporations trying to establish a presence within a game or other mileau. He is telling them how to succeed; not saying it is important for the leader of a game or other mileau to be respectful to his own customers.

(7) I saw the video of this guy and he's got that question inflection at the end of long declarative sentences that absolutely drives me NUTS. Where does that come from, anyway? People need to cut that out.

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(7) I saw the video of this guy and he's got that question inflection at the end of long declarative sentences that absolutely drives me NUTS. Where does that come from, anyway? People need to cut that out.

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You mean he's a valley girl? Like toe-tallly awesome!!!
Is THAT where it comes from.

Kill it. Kill it NOW.

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I'm NOT optimistic, but will adopt a wait and see attitude. For one thing, can SL REALLY get significantly worse than it is right now?

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this part, from the sl blog, i very much liked:
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He will have an intense focus on improving the in-world experience and stability and reliability of Second Life. He has extensive hands-on experience with user experience design, which will be critical in making Second Life an easier and better experience for more people...
but i didn't like the say-nothing buzzwords that were quoted in the reuters article. hmmm. undecided.

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I'm NOT optimistic, but will adopt a wait and see attitude. For one thing, can SL REALLY get significantly worse than it is right now?

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ha, good point sooze. although between grid outages i can mostly do what i want. if he steers things in a disney direction (and based on the little bit i've read i don't think that's his intent), i'd be upset.
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So Rosedale is still to oversee product development and strategy. That, IMHO, is an unmitigated disaster. The CEO should be setting strategy for the company's product, not the Chairman. The job of the Board is very simple: to hire and fire the CEO. The new guy is starting out with his knackers in a vice - he is in charge of day-to-day operations for a strategy that is not his, and his background is not in operations. Probably a management consultant to Organics while with PWC, and got tagged for CEO when the prior CEO got in trouble. So a high level thinker kind of guy, unless someone knows otherwise. Marketing types (how he is described in various headlines) generally wouldn't know operations if it came up and bit them in the ass. They don't do that kind of detail, and when they try it can get very messy.

It doesn't matter how well you run your day-to-day operations, if your product development and particularly your strategy (for your SOLE product) are in the hands of someone who has, to all appearances, shown himself to be particularly inept at both. The VCs either don't have the power or lack the wisdom to make the right moves here.

SL will remain on its heels until the CEO is REALLY the CEO. I feel for the new guy, and fear for SL. As it stands now, the new CEO is really a COO, and Rosedale remains CEO, titles notwithstanding.

I do hope that I am wrong, but I am not looking to be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, and new guy: ask about Ginko Financial and BNT financial and the apparent frauds/Ponzi schemes perpretrated thereunder, sequentially and it appears by the same cast of characters. Also who knew what about all that when? Might start with your Chairman. I only lost $400 (US, not Linden, the latter of which may or may not be a currency but sure looks like one), but $400 stings on a fixed disability income. Many lost thousands. That is NOT the way to establish good customer relations. Examples abound of SL customers and content creators getting the sharp end of the stick to enrich apparent friends/associates of LL. We are just like page hits, and ONLY page hits, to promote the next zany idea of product "strategy" to come out of Mr. Rosedale. I hope you clean up the old ethic, and I mean really clean it up. If that means butting heads with your Chairman, so be it. That is how you signed on. No one held a gun to your head, and you are the one who will be a hero or a goat at the end of the day.

For proof of Rosedale's competence on the product/strategic front, look no further than number of people online in the last sixty days. One year ago, that was about over 1,800,000. Six months ago it was approx 1,350,000. Today it is 1,200,000. (And a LOT of those remaining logons are bots/campers.)

SL is pretty, when you are at home watching a sunset over the ocean with your partner, but Lord help you if you venture out to one of the clubs. SL is broken and getting more broken all the time. People are voting with their feet, selling their land and converting their Lindens to USD on the way out the door. (what do you mean, not a currency? It's fungible, it pays for goods and services, whether in or out of world). What strategy, pray tell, has Rosedale been pursuing? None, I say. It is possible to have embarked upon a strategy without having made a strategic decision. Rosedale should be locked in his own computing lab to tinker ... he is way over his head. But still your boss.

I hope in the future to be writing (maybe even on an LL blog, although that has been very difficult of late) things about the very promising new direction SL is taking, how problems extending years back are being addressed, and so on. I really do hope that. Do I expect it? Um, no.
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I honestly don't think the new CEO is going to change much of anything. Anyone who works for a company knows that when it comes down to the big decisions, directions and stuff those are all board/shareholder decisions. They say jump and we say "how high?" and "might I be fortunate enough to kiss your bottom along the way?"

I have no opinion on this guy. Anyone wanna wager bets on how long he will last?
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Hey - don't go there! I almost went there! Then I realized as soon as the words had tripped through my mind that I was TEMPTING FATE.

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this part, from the sl blog, i very much liked:


but i didn't like the say-nothing buzzwords that were quoted in the reuters article. hmmm. undecided.

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Um, does "user experience design" have anything to do with banner ads? My, how words can be twisted.
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For proof of Rosedale's competence on the product/strategic front, look no further than number of people online in the last sixty days. One year ago, that was about over 1,800,000. Six months ago it was approx 1,350,000. Today it is 1,200,000. (And a LOT of those remaining logons are bots/campers.)
I think I never notice stuff like that because I THINK that when I look at those stats pages, I only ever see things for the past month and the month-to-date.

That is disturbing.

And I know know know, deep in my bones, that the population of bots has got to have dramatically skyrocketed in recent months.

I'm just totally certain of it; I FEEL it.

And thus comes to pass what I have been long worried about, which is a land populated largely by bots.

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I think I never notice stuff like that because I THINK that when I look at those stats pages, I only ever see things for the past month and the month-to-date.

That is disturbing.

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Yup, today we have fully ONE-THIRD fewer logins over the past 60 days than for the corresponding period one year ago. Even leaving the bot situation aside.

I guess that explains the fantastic improvement in the user experience *disappears under waves as sailboat crosses sim boundary*
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I saw the video of this guy and he's got that question inflection at the end of long declarative sentences that absolutely drives me NUTS. Where does that come from, anyway? People need to cut that out.
Yes, this drives me nuts too. It's a form of equivocation. People do this when they are unsure of themselves, when they are unsure of how their statement will be perceived, or when they want to take the absoluteness out of their assertion so they cannot be challenged. It's passive-aggressive. Another way that people do this is to sprinkle the words "kinda" and "sorta" throughout their presentation.

It's a useful tool at times, but some people make it a part of their regular speech pattern. Honestly, it makes me kinda sorta wanna maybe slap them.
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Oh gosh Sooz, don't challenge them like this. Some programmer is likely to cash in a Tao-Of-Linden token and start working on this immediately.
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