[Arilynn]

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

This does not need to be a point of contention, it is so ridiculous.

[Joshua Nightshade]

I wasn't talking about you, Quantum. There's been much more bitching about this outside of this thread, and it's headache inducing.

[Lucifer Baphomet]

Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

Only when groupchat bothers to actually function

This is precisely why, back in the days of Phreak we used to use notices....

Group chat functionality...

For long enough wed try to send a message in group chat, to no avail, even ask friends to put sonething in group chat if we couldn't.

Of course, back then group notice functionality wasnt great either, and because of that at times there would be multiple notices for one event, because it didn't look like the first one had gone out.

These days wen I DJ, I simply post the event here, and on the DoD, and maybe IM a few friends whove asked to be kept informed... assuming I remember to between flipping between windows from the stream CP, SAM and SL

[Naeve]

Could I (Naeve Rossini) get an add to the SLU Members group so I can partake in all this spam?

[Carthalis]

Originally Posted by Naeve

Could I (Naeve Rossini) get an add to the SLU Members group so I can partake in all this spam?

Yay for another Rossini

[Ned Easterwood]

Originally Posted by Naeve

Could I (Naeve Rossini) get an add to the SLU Members group so I can partake in all this spam?

Naeve - IM me in-world if you haven't gotten added already, and I will do it.

[Vivianne Draper]

So maybe I'm missing the point of the SLU group. I thought it was a social group and a way to keep up with events put on by regular posters here. A good way to do that is notices.

If I log on after the event has started, and the only notification was via chat, I will not know about the event. So chat is only good for those users logged on at that time. The person in charge of the event is left with either no means of notification to those who aren't lucky enough to be on at the time of group chat notification or s/he must spam the group chat repeatedly to get late-comers.

Add to this problem that anyone who dislikes notices can easily opt out of getting notices and this seems like a suboptimal solution.

[Ned Easterwood]

/me shrugs

Cris' call, Viv.

[Vivianne Draper]

Well perhaps Cris will engage in this discussion

[Joshua Nightshade]

I really find "you can turn notices off" so insulting.

I don't want to turn notices off. I would absolutely love to receive all of them. All the messages, the gift items, so on and so forth. I personally have no interest in the social events that aren't related to SLU though. I don't care that someone who I've never heard DJ before is DJing weekly, every week, every time they do it. Problem is I can't decide to receive one set and not receive the other.

I would be inclined to say that's just me and I'll shut up about it, because I absolutely have no interest in almost all social functions in SL. But it apparently isn't, and there's a lot of people who feel the same way and don't say anything about it because they get jumped on and harassed when they do, and they've been appreciative for the people in this thread that have complained about it.

But, as said repeatedly, it's Cris' decision. That's what this discussion is for, so he has a range of opinions if he wants to look at them. Personally I don't think the group should be used to advertise events that have nothing to do with SLU. Especially when those "regular posters" often criticize Cristiano and attack him (side issue.) It's pretty big hubris to do that, then utilize the traffic of the group as free advertising.

But if he says he doesn't care, have a free for all, then I'll just shut off the group notices all together, as I do, as a good amount of people in the group do, because to me making sure I am able to get in contact with customers who need help when I'm not in SL is more important than hearing so and so is having an event that I am not interested in anyway. And if I miss out on the cool notices and such (which often don't show up in the past-sent messages in the group profile as well) then that's just an unfortunate side effect.

[Lewis Luminos]

I wish Cris would come into this thread and tell us what his decision is...

[Joshua Nightshade]

Cris just moved. I think he's got more important things to worry about right now, personally.

[Vivianne Draper]

So perhaps you missed this part where I said:

I thought it was a social group and a way to keep up with events put on by regular posters here.

I didn't mention events put on by those not associated with SLU and agree that I have little interest put on by those I do not know.

I would be ok with moderator sent notices that were for events put on by those associated with SLU -- as long as we could be assured that moderators would absolutely be here when those notices needed to be sent out. Something that can't be assured. The number of moderators could be increased I suppose.

But by wanting to some, but not all, events, and by refusing to turn off notices since the non-applicable ones bother you so much, you deny everyone.

Sure its a pain the ass to log in to a gazillion notices but, y'know, clicking them away is not that big of a deal. I log on to, and get while I'm on, tons of notices. I belong to not only SLU but SC, RadioRadio, T1, a couple of charities, a couple of blogger groups -- hell I get notices all the damned time. Its just not that big of a deal to click them away -- a minor annoyance at most.

[Joshua Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Vivianne Draper

So perhaps you missed this part where I said:



I didn't mention events put on by those not associated with SLU and agree that I have little interest put on by those I do not know.

I would be ok with moderator sent notices that were for events put on by those associated with SLU -- as long as we could be assured that moderators would absolutely be here when those notices needed to be sent out. Something that can't be assured. The number of moderators could be increased I suppose.

But by wanting to some, but not all, events, and by refusing to turn off notices since the non-applicable ones bother you so much, you deny everyone.

Sure its a pain the ass to log in to a gazillion notices but, y'know, clicking them away is not that big of a deal. I log on to, and get while I'm on, tons of notices. I belong to not only SLU but SC, RadioRadio, T1, a couple of charities, a couple of blogger groups -- hell I get notices all the damned time. Its just not that big of a deal to click them away -- a minor annoyance at most.

Someone not affiliated with SLU isn't in the group, so that's irrelevant. I'm talking about the people in the group, sending out notices for events that are not about SLU. I don't care about your DJ events, and unless you're throwing a party for SLU, I don't think it has any place being a group notice.

I'm not denying anyone anything, my opinion doesn't make it a rule. If Cris decides not to allow it, that's his decision.

Telling me "you can just click them away" is not true in the least and is totally inaccurate. When I'm offline, group notices get sent to email. This thread is full of people explaining why that's a lot more of a frustration than "just click them away," least of which being my inbox constantly flashing for attention.

I turned the notices off entirely years ago, and they've been off since. I already said that.

[Sonja Aeghin]

This was a good move, Josh. I've run a group or two in my time, and cracking down is necessary from time to time.

Can I haz invite?

[Cindy Claveau]

Originally Posted by Naeve

Could I (Naeve Rossini) get an add to the SLU Members group so I can partake in all this spam?

Jeez whiz, girl! I'M ON YOU FRIENDS LIST

[Aki Shichiroji]

I will respect whatever final decision is made, however I have a question.

Current logic (and policy) dictates that members of the SLU group are members of the forums and, presumably, actually happen to read it or be a part of the community. Generally any sort of changes made to SLU proper - IE: the forums, services the site provides, games, etc - show up in the announcements at SLU and not in notices for the group, have they not?

When in recent memory have the notices been used for anything earthshakingly important such that the lines must be kept clear? Does MJ count?

Also, opting out of notices does not mean you can never access them again. I frequently access notecards and notices from Fashion Consolidated, for which i have notices to IM/email muted (as an aside, if you think SLU notices over the last few months have been bad, join the FashCon group for one hour).

I joined SLU for socializing and have for the most part appreciated the fact that SLU-related folk do post events in the notices. Why? Because I'm generally online, but i'm also generally otherwise occupied with work or with personal content creation. I dislike having to drop everything at an instant upon learning at last minute someone's having an event here or there. I can see things being even worse for those who are in odd time zones.

Yes, the forum does have an events section. But that same events section covers anything from a one hour DJ set to a six month long sale. The listing for 'todays events' is often prefaced heavily by folks looking to promote their clubs with the same unchanging advertisement on a long term basis, or maybe run a month long contest.... and I personally find this makes the forum less useful. I won't say i don't use it, but it is inconvenient to use and not strongly tied to anything we have in world.

Were there some way to automate the listings to be added to a google calendar, i would probably feel differently, since there are tools that allow for google calendar info to be displayed in world and for notices to be sent out automatically. The upcoming addition of http to a prim should also help considerably in this regard, one would hope.

[Joshua Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Aki Shichiroji

I will respect whatever final decision is made, however I have a question.

Current logic (and policy) dictates that members of the SLU group are members of the forums and, presumably, actually happen to read it or be a part of the community. Generally any sort of changes made to SLU proper - IE: the forums, services the site provides, games, etc - show up in the announcements at SLU and not in notices for the group, have they not?

When in recent memory have the notices been used for anything earthshakingly important such that the lines must be kept clear? Does MJ count?

Also, opting out of notices does not mean you can never access them again. I frequently access notecards and notices from Fashion Consolidated, for which i have notices to IM/email muted (as an aside, if you think SLU notices over the last few months have been bad, join the FashCon group for one hour).

I joined SLU for socializing and have for the most part appreciated the fact that SLU-related folk do post events in the notices. Why? Because I'm generally online, but i'm also generally otherwise occupied with work or with personal content creation. I dislike having to drop everything at an instant upon learning at last minute someone's having an event here or there. I can see things being even worse for those who are in odd time zones.

Yes, the forum does have an events section. But that same events section covers anything from a one hour DJ set to a six month long sale. The listing for 'todays events' is often prefaced heavily by folks looking to promote their clubs with the same unchanging advertisement on a long term basis, or maybe run a month long contest.... and I personally find this makes the forum less useful. I won't say i don't use it, but it is inconvenient to use and not strongly tied to anything we have in world.

Were there some way to automate the listings to be added to a google calendar, i would probably feel differently, since there are tools that allow for google calendar info to be displayed in world and for notices to be sent out automatically. The upcoming addition of http to a prim should also help considerably in this regard, one would hope.

In general, people shouldn't be using the events forum for six month long events. When I've seen that I've reported the threads to Cristiano and he's removed them. Even month long ones are really pushing it in my opinion, unless it's actually a one-time specific thing, but really I would say if it's not an actual event, you're skirting the rules. But as I said, any time I've pointed it out to Cris, he's removed them. He can't read everything, so reporting those things helps make him aware of it.

For constant daily events by the same group of people, I can't really say anything other than the fact that at least when it's on the forum, I can filter it and it's not capping my IMs or going to my real email inbox.

The past notices doesn't work accurately. With the recent spam for the new forum, often times I wasn't able to see notices that had gone out the day before even while other people in the group could. I had to have someone screenshot a couple of them because I just didn't see them wherever I looked.

It would be nice if past notices showed up and I could look at ones I hadn't received because I had them turned off. However in my experience with any large groups this really isn't the case, they're extremely flaky.

Given that the SLU group is a social one I don't think Cris needs to announce all changes to the forum there. There's an announcement one here, and I would be willing to bet more people would see such messages on that than in-world anyway. I have no qualms with the group notices being used for social things, but as a personal opinion I just don't think the group notices should be used to advertise for events that aren't related to the forum. I might be inclined to change my mind if it's every now and then, but the problem is that it never is, and even one event daily snowballs.

Obviously a compromise needs to be met somewhere between people who don't want anything and those who want to spam to their heart's content. Nobody's saying that no notices should be sent out at all, ever.

[Naeve]

Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Jeez whiz, girl! I'M ON YOU FRIENDS LIST

I... I have no idea who the officers are... cuz I'm a group n00b. Alls I know is how to click Join ($0) and then get lots of email about events I don't care about... and some that I do.

(Ned sent me an invite. Thanks, Ned! I'll pick it up when I log on tonight.)

To bring the conversation back to the topic, I think, my personal attitude toward group notices is that events targeted at SLU members are okay. To wit, it's an SLU party, not just an event where someone from SLU happens to be DJing, dancing, hosting, or otherwise sponsoring.

Which leads me to wonder, are there regular SLU events? I've never been quite sure whether Club Baby Seals was an SLU event or a regular one elsewhere that Dancien DJ's.

[Joshua Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Naeve

I... I have no idea who the officers are... cuz I'm a group n00b. Alls I know is how to click Join ($0) and then get lots of email about events I don't care about... and some that I do.

The officers are listed in the group charter, btw. In alphabetical order.

They also show up as bold names when you search through the list of members.

[Dancien Graves]

Also, an actual policy on the notices thing would be great. Maybe a limit so those of us who post 1 or maybe 2 notices a week aren't getting fucked over because of the people who send 1-2 a day.

[Lucifer Baphomet]

Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

Also, an actual policy on the notices thing would be great. Maybe a limit so those of us who post 1 or maybe 2 notices a week aren't getting fucked over because of the people who send 1-2 a day.

good call, Dan

[Mourna Biziou]

*chimes in*

I enjoy the notices from regular members about their events.

I was about to suggest what Dan just said. Would a rule of say... no more than one notice per person per week satisfy? Some would break the rules occasionally, sure. But the regular people who were sending out notices before are regular forum members, so I think it would be respected for the most part. Especially now that it is a closed group.

[Cristiano]

I took the unusual step of cleaning up the off topic portion of this thread in the interest of civility and not having an issue that has been resolved for several years revisited. I don't like to remove posts, but in this case I did so. Keep this thread civil and on topic.

As far as wanting me to make a decision, I think you all can suvive a little longer before I finalize the group notice policy. In the interim, as I said earlier, I will leave it to the officers' discretion. If you have an event you want to announce that is relevant to the SLU group, then contact an officer. Consider using group chat instead to announce your event.

[Dancien Graves]

*wonders where his one post went*