Eliza Wrigglesworth

I'm not sure about all of the details, I just know that Facebook sucks big donkey balls. If I were interested in doing business in Cloud Party, I would wait until they have a way to sign up without Facebook being involved at all. You should read their ToS for personal and commercial use and any other legal stuff they have out there to read.

I don't trust Facebook. Not even a little bit. I'm not paranoid. Really. HEY! Stop looking at me like that!!1!

ohn lang

Haha! snort!

Ramen Jedburgh

I can run SL on my Netbook alright but couldn't get CP to show anything. My desktop is a poor sample because I put it all together in January so, for the moment, it runs "everything" at max really well.

(Such is the cycle, in 5 years when I start to fall behind again, I will research up a new machine).

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Hitomi Tiponi

I am pleased that others are bringing this up. Most people on here who have tried it are using computers that can play SL decently - when you try using basic laptops and netbooks it performs poorly (i.e. no better than SL which is coping with much more rendering).

So, CP has a system that has much less eye-candy and is no faster than SL.

Maybe it's mobility and accessibility will help, but the moment that they start adding complex meshes and avatar detail this will really hit bandwidth. So they have to stay with cartoony avatars - no bad thing, but then lots of competitors look the same.

There are already better 'social' VWs out there and as it looks like CP will not exactly be a 'party' place, it would be hard for it to compete. Drawing has become popular in apps but there is a big jump from that to building meshes, maybe too big. It will add a marketplace, which would be what the majority of users would use (as in SL) for new stuff. So will new (fancier but laggier) content set it aside from other simple VWs/games with a similar model and great sociability. Or will it become inhabited by SLers and very few other people? Pricing, marketing and direction should answer that question.

Ramen Jedburgh

I think what will really help is that the viewer is in the browser. No special software needed. Wasn't LL making. Browser viewer? I thougjt I had a beta envite ages.ago but I was really not into SL at the time and.never used it.

AshaSekayi Ra

I've been running CP on a laptop (about 1 year old) the last few days, and it doesn't run poorly or slow. As for the eye candy, CP can potentially have better eye candy since it has a shader system that can handle normal, specular and sphere maps, which is just some of the features of the shader system. Of course, it doesn't have the social or content strength of SL yet, it has been open a very short time and is really more at an alpha state than beta.

At the end of the day, I think the SL and CP comparisons are moot. I don't get the impression that the average SL user is who they are trying to build this for. They want the average FB user/consumer. I can see CP appealing to that group.

Hitomi Tiponi

A lot depends on your CPU - more so than SL probably. Put it on an Atom chip and watch it suffer. CP needs to appeal to the tablet/smartphone market - it can't at the moment. Windows 8 WILL be a game changer there - and I have a feeling that LL know that.

Ashiri

I see something with a FB login, or working in a browser, and I work on the assumption it is designed for the mass market, not for the gamers/3d artists who have mid-range machines at least.
(which makes me wonder how a certain mesh and WL hating blogger, very well known to us, will write up about CP)

Lordfly Digeridoo

Argh.

All this "Facebook is the WORST EVER I DONT USE IT BECAUSE IM SO CLEVER" attitude on this thread is giving me heartburn. Get over yourselves?

Two sites I frequent have this prevailing "facebook is useless and terrible and evil" attitude: Slashdot, a spot not really known for getting consumer tech (the ipod is lame), and Second Life, a spot known for obsessive compulsive anonymity.

I'm not sure if you guys realized? But social networks are actually pretty useful. I know! It's evil! They're selling your soul to Kraft Mac&Cheese! They're spying on your dog! THEY'RE EATING YOUR BABIES!

Know what? I don't care. Facebook is a very useful tool to keep in contact with people that I find interesting that I don't happen to run into every day of my 9-5 job. Facebook wants to track what I do online to sell me shit? Good luck - Adblock has been installed on this computer since day one, I'm as un-monetized as a new baby in outer Mongolia.

I know, you're so clever, and too hip to deal with the unwashed masses on Facebook. We get it. You're part of the creative and hip and fancy class and the mouth-breathing hunt-and-peck typists on facebook are too lowbrow.

It really isn't difficult to get on Facebook with a psuedonym. I've got a dozen non-SL friends that have such obviously dumb names as "None YoBizness", "Pook LaDuke", "Hard Liquor" and others - they've been using facebook for at least 3-4 years without even a slap on the wrist for using a fake name. I have friends that change their first, and last, names as often as facebook allows them to. The only purges you hear about are from chest-thumping bloggers with axes to grind and ads to sell.

I mean for chrissakes, I've had a joke account on Facebook for at least 3 years that has the name "Fancypants Poultry" - it's obviously a fake account, the only profile picture is one of a ninja turtle mask, and he hails from QWERUQWTIU University, in northern Djibouti. Facebook doesn't even realize he's there.

TL;DR get over yourselves, facebook isn't going to eat your family.

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Phadrus

Despite having difficulties with specular maps, Cloud Party's shader system is a welcome improvement over the drudgery of preparing light maps for Second Life. I'm excited about the possibilities - particularly with the implementation of a viable combat system based on what appears to be a more robust physics engine.

Also, according to Jimb, should your Facebook account be terminated as a result of policy violations, your Cloud Party account will not be rendered null and void. Additional login options will be made available provided that you supplied a valid e-mail address during sign-up.

Following the completion of the tutorial and laying claim to one of the homes located in the Sudden Lake region, I elected to forgo the interior decoration phase given my poor fashion sense. I did, however, opt to personalize my house with a roof "accessory" (a Second Life mesh project I completed last year).

DanielRavenNest

"What good is an airplane, Mr. Anderson, if you cannot fly?" - Agent Smith in "The Cloud".


So, I met someone I knew from Blue Mars in Cloud Party today, and he wanted to cash out his Blue Mars dollars. Since I still sell clothes there, I jacked up the price of a pair of shoes to what his balance was, which he then bought, then sent him Linden $, which he wanted. We did this while chatting in IM in Cloud Party.
Playing in multiple worlds can be fun.

Joshua Nightshade

I want you inside me.

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Joshua Nightshade

Cloud Party is using WebGL, so this as much a limitation of that than anything else. As the spec improves, so will performance.

With appropriate bump maps and so forth you can get away with less geometry that looks better than in SL anyway. It's how actual game engines used by actual game developers have gotten away with making games look good on toasters for years.

bubblesort

I get a lot of normals spiking out into the distance when I use CP. Like, half my avatar and half of the objects around me are stretching way out to a point in the distance all the time. I'm on Google Chrome and my graphics drivers are up to date.

I'm guessing it might be a hardware issue? I'm on 64 bit Windows 7 with an Athelon II x4, 6Gb of RAM and a crappy on board Raedon 3000 graphics card. It's a cheap Lennovo H405 without any upgrades or hardware changes on it.

By the way, we really should come up with a better acronym than CP. CP stands for Child Pornography in some places, LOL.

EDIT: I ran CCleaner to clear my browser cache and gave my system a reboot and the stretched normal problem is not happening but I'm missing normals all over the place now. I really hope it's not that I need better hardware. Does anybody have a link to any kind of KB or wiki for cloud party?

Kick Frenzy

But are they trying to run a business under those names?
Or are they just for fun?

Sure, people can get away with fake accounts for however long, but the fact of the matter is that Facebook HAS shut down hundreds, maybe thousands,of accounts because of non-RL info.
A large chunk of that was specific to SL accounts.

Call me crazy, but if someone (from SL) wants to start a FB account based on their SL name (not inclusive of their RL info), especially for business reasons, I'm guessing that FB (having closed accounts because they were based on SL names) wouldn't be their first stop for a reliable service.
And if your response is still, "get over it", then you're just exercising ignorance in the face of sound business practice.
(Even if it is just to seem "flippantly cool".)

Joshua Nightshade

So don't sign up for a social network ostensibly around real life identities and interactions if you want to use a cartoon character. I don't get why this is always so hard for people.

Autumn Osterham

Because Facebook doesn't allow business pages. Oh wait...

Second Life | Facebook

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Eliza Wrigglesworth

[quote=Autumn Osterham;1582395]Because Facebook doesn't allow business pages. Oh wait...[QUOTE]

Wut? I haven't seen anyone behaving like that on this thread.

Do you feel confident enough that Facebook won't delete Fancypants Poultry's account that you would sign up for Cloud Party and start a merchant account with that name?

Good luck if you do. I've given an account of my experience with using a fake name on Facebook, and now I won't feel bad if you lose any money you invest.

The only reason Eliza Wrigglesworth had a Facebook account was to keep anyone else from using that name. Just like my Plurk account, there were no friends or posts. I wasn't devastated when it was blocked or anything, but I'd still feel bad if I didn't tell people that it can happen.

I don't think most people read Terms of Service for anything. They just check off the little box and move on.

bubblesort

When they have an in world economy and logins are through facebook why would I want to do business with somebody with an SL avatar name over somebody who has what looks like a RL profile with a RL social network and RL activity on their FB profile? Go ahead, be a cartoon if you want. It's cool, I'll probably have a toon or two myself. When I have a choice I'm not going to do business with a cartoon, though. I'll buy virtual goods from a real person.

Lordfly Digeridoo

Why would most people not in SL feel comfortable doing business transactions with a completely anonymous person? Are you dealing drugs on the side?

I never understood this position in SL - when I did contracting back when SL was a huge bubble, I'd have to wait on projects because the companies I was working for was busy trying to explain to other contractors on the job that no, a signed SL notecard wasn't a binding contract, and yes, we need your real name for tax and payment purposes, and no, your legal name is not Furry Yiffson.

Real money, real names. Fancypants Poultry will never be a registered owner of a business.

Lil Hapmouche

Has anyone actually tried the controls on a touch interface?

I keep getting presented with the choice of controls, either "Gamer" with keyboard/mouse or "Touch" for tablets and smartphones. Due to the lack of the latter, I can't really try the second set.

Adeon Writer

You are out of date.

You and your friends were only able to sign up under names like "Fancypants Poultry" and choose fake college names because you did so 3 years ago. Try to do it today and you'll be stopped from registering at the door and asked to enter a different name before you can even pass the registration form.

It wouldn't even let me sign up as "Adeon Writer" - it correctly allowed Adeon as a first name, as that is a real Welsh male name, but it would not allow me to use the last name "Writer" - despite the fact that I know real people with that surname. I had to, ironically, lie about my name to get in the door.

stora

Interestingly it has just let me sign up as Retirw Noeda ?

I wonder is they filter out known Second Life names ?

Hitomi Tiponi

I think that might annoy the 50,000 Jeffersons in the States just for a start.

Rosemaery Lorefield

I am guessing at least a good chunk of your problem is right there. I'm really not sure why they are even used in PC's anymore, since almost everyone plays some kind of game or uses some program that is not compatible with them.