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Winter Ventura · 07-01-2008, 01:25 AM

Okay it's just about done.. and now comes the issue of pricing. I'm never terribly good at this. I underprice, I overprice, and generally I struggle to please the customers (and thus sell more) and at the same time respect my own work and effort.

So, here's the art.

414 prims, 22 parts. Hand aligned joints, tons of shiny, a little flexy, a little glow too. Flight pack and a separate freebie flight assist hud (so people can use the flight pack for effects WITH their own favourite multi-tool.). Glowy flames, cool sound effects.. Glowy cyber eyes, and "cyber-hair" that you can wear on your other avatars as well.

In all honesty, I've been working on this for 3-4 weeks now. Not as super heavy as "every single day" but it's been my only real "project" for the last few weeks. (and we're talking 8-16 hour days)

As for other avatars on the market, price varies. Furries, which are worn "every day" run around L$800-1000. Bigger, more impressive avatars cost more, cheaper novelty ones cost less.

This avatar is a bit small. Really it's 1.5meters, which puts it at belly/breast height for most avatars. It's easy at a glance to decide that this is a "child" avatar. It's definitely "child sized" as it was planned as a "toy robot". It's DEFINITIVELY female.. with obvious prim breasts. While this may lower it's appeal to the guys out there, there are also VERY FEW female robots in SL. However, I'm not sure that many would choose this as their "everyday look" or "identity avatar".

It's moddable, which is a feature. Aside from the jetpack, it's pretty much entirely unscripted. I looked at how much work it would be to SCRIPT colour changing into all 22 parts, and I simply decided that it was too much work, and much easier to leave it cop/mod and let people tinker.

So, there's the data... Let's hear what you think.

Daman · 07-01-2008, 02:04 AM

I wouldn't buy it myself since it's female. Really love the design for what it's worth though.

I think 800-1000 L$ seems more than fair. Personally I'd even pay over 1000 L$ if I were female - but I'm not sure how many others would pay that amount.

Tyche Shepherd · 07-01-2008, 02:14 AM

Its so good, its in the bigger impressive Avatar category in my book (size not being an issue) and my first reaction is to set the price level at over L$1000 - up towards L$2000 to L$3000 even but I'm not that price conscious and as you say - its not going to be everyday use so even fewer people may be willing to pay the top end in that case .

As long as you have the right promotion and/or distribution then a lower pricing , higher volume model will work and that Avi is such a great advert for itself , the more who are wearing it the more who will see it. So maybe a lower price point under L$1000 would be right - say L$800

In the poll I went for the top 3 price categories

That said ... I can haz at any of those prices?

Decadent · 07-01-2008, 02:21 AM

For the work and love that went into it, anything less than 1000L would be a bargain.

Hell, anything less than 1500L would. That's a work of art.

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-01-2008, 08:15 AM

Ten · 07-01-2008, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

414 prims?
It looks very primmy. Doesn't have a sculpted look, or particularly detailed textures. And I'm personally very tired of shiny effect, which is horribly overused and poorly implemented.

Doesn't appeal to me much, I'm afraid. I've seen significantly better robot avs.

Winter asked for PRICING input, not a critique of the work, you ninny.

Ten · 07-01-2008, 08:19 AM

Oh, Winter - keep in mind that the Japanese market tends to price L$ very, very low. The SL Fashion side is reflecting the needs of the japanese market lately.

I think if one of the SL Japan-ers tried to sell this, they'd be going for $500L.

Charlemagne Allen · 07-01-2008, 08:19 AM

1500 is my idea-- it shouldn't be so cheap as for everyone to have it, but for it to be above 1500, it would need to have tons of scripting along with the beautiful primwork (such as the C-Tech mechs).

Atashi Yue · 07-01-2008, 08:20 AM

I think it rocks, but like you I'm terrible at pricing things.

And WarKirby, I haven't seen any better than this in the female bot area - by far.

Ann Launay · 07-01-2008, 08:22 AM

Geez, WarKirby, who pissed in your Wheaties?

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-01-2008, 08:24 AM

Joshua Nightshade · 07-01-2008, 08:27 AM

She wasn't asking for a critique. Nobody asked your opinion of the work.

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-01-2008, 08:30 AM

Ten · 07-01-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

I'm just saying what I see, don't mean anything personally

I know someone who makes female bots, and I'm mentally comparing Winter to her, I find that aesthetically, this avatar comes up short. The flight assist, jetpack, etc are nice though.

And we're telling you we don't fucking care. Your opinion wasn't asked for beyond pricing.

Ten · 07-01-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

And my criticism of shininess is aimed at LL, not winter. SL's implementation looks like a layer of dark translucent cling film wrapped around things, obscuring texture detail and making even pure white turn a dull greyish color.

Kristian · 07-01-2008, 08:33 AM

1> I like it.
2> 1000 seems fair.

Ann Launay · 07-01-2008, 08:34 AM

It's fukn adorable...my avs pretty much always have a cat theme, but I could totally see wandering around the grid in wearing that on occasion.

Of course, if it had optional robot kitty parts...

WarKirby Magojiro · 07-01-2008, 08:34 AM

Joshua Nightshade · 07-01-2008, 08:36 AM

Great, you've given your opinion.

Ten · 07-01-2008, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarKirby Magojiro

Then why aren't you beating on everyone else offering opinions, you hypocrite?

My opinion on price would be 400-700, depending on the quality of the flight assist, and jetpack effects, which aren't shown here.

THEY INCLUDED A PRICE. Duh? Yours didn't.

Atashi Yue · 07-01-2008, 08:38 AM

LL does screw up shiny IMHO. But, it's all we've got for now.

Joshua Nightshade · 07-01-2008, 08:42 AM

Anyway Winter, in my personal experience, people don't really want to pay a whole lot for a complete avatar. My most expensive stuff are 500 and to justify above that is really difficult. It's not a value statement on your stuff because that avatar really is amazingly beautiful (from the photos as I haven't seen one in-world) and makes me really jealous. But most people aren't going to get that it's so well done and aren't going to really care.

I would say 750 really max, above that and people don't really want to pay for an avatar because that's a range reserved for houses or tools of some sort. I would personally price under that on the basis of selling more because it's so high quality verses selling a handful to people who recognize the building.

View Poll Results: What is a reasonable, realistic price?
L$600 to L$699	7	10.45%
L$700 to L$799	12	17.91%
L$800 to L$899	14	20.90%
L$900 to L$999	19	28.36%
L$1000 & up (please specify in a post)	24	35.82%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

07-01-2008, 01:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
Winter Ventura Pixel Perfect Linking prims since 2006 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 450 SL Join Date: 7/13/2006 Business: Eclectic Randomness My Mood:	Pricing Poll: ER Girl-Bot Avatar Okay it's just about done.. and now comes the issue of pricing. I'm never terribly good at this. I underprice, I overprice, and generally I struggle to please the customers (and thus sell more) and at the same time respect my own work and effort. So, here's the art. 414 prims, 22 parts. Hand aligned joints, tons of shiny, a little flexy, a little glow too. Flight pack and a separate freebie flight assist hud (so people can use the flight pack for effects WITH their own favourite multi-tool.). Glowy flames, cool sound effects.. Glowy cyber eyes, and "cyber-hair" that you can wear on your other avatars as well. In all honesty, I've been working on this for 3-4 weeks now. Not as super heavy as "every single day" but it's been my only real "project" for the last few weeks. (and we're talking 8-16 hour days) As for other avatars on the market, price varies. Furries, which are worn "every day" run around L$800-1000. Bigger, more impressive avatars cost more, cheaper novelty ones cost less. This avatar is a bit small. Really it's 1.5meters, which puts it at belly/breast height for most avatars. It's easy at a glance to decide that this is a "child" avatar. It's definitely "child sized" as it was planned as a "toy robot". It's DEFINITIVELY female.. with obvious prim breasts. While this may lower it's appeal to the guys out there, there are also VERY FEW female robots in SL. However, I'm not sure that many would choose this as their "everyday look" or "identity avatar". It's moddable, which is a feature. Aside from the jetpack, it's pretty much entirely unscripted. I looked at how much work it would be to SCRIPT colour changing into all 22 parts, and I simply decided that it was too much work, and much easier to leave it cop/mod and let people tinker. So, there's the data... Let's hear what you think. __________________ There's a little bit of paradise.. the way hot pepperoni, mushrooms, pineapple and melted cheese all come together in a single moment in time.

07-01-2008, 02:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
Daman Asator Sovereign Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 872 SL Join Date: 13/05/2007 My Mood:	I wouldn't buy it myself since it's female. Really love the design for what it's worth though. I think 800-1000 L$ seems more than fair. Personally I'd even pay over 1000 L$ if I were female - but I'm not sure how many others would pay that amount. __________________ Daman in SL

07-01-2008, 02:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tyche Shepherd Fortuna vitrea est Lightly Seared on the Reality Grill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,358 SL Join Date: 26th April 2007 My Mood:	Its so good, its in the bigger impressive Avatar category in my book (size not being an issue) and my first reaction is to set the price level at over L$1000 - up towards L$2000 to L$3000 even but I'm not that price conscious and as you say - its not going to be everyday use so even fewer people may be willing to pay the top end in that case . As long as you have the right promotion and/or distribution then a lower pricing , higher volume model will work and that Avi is such a great advert for itself , the more who are wearing it the more who will see it. So maybe a lower price point under L$1000 would be right - say L$800 In the poll I went for the top 3 price categories That said ... I can haz at any of those prices? __________________ Vanguard of the LolCatz Revolution This Post was financed by The National LolCatz Archives Clancy Sullivan :Yeah. YEAH! The sultry seamstress of mirth is definitely in charge now. Certified 7.8 on the Official Non-Arbitrary Trout Algorithmic Slut scale

07-01-2008, 02:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Decadent is tasty. Nomnom. Intellectual terrorist! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas / Dublin. Posts: 2,723 SL Join Date: '04 '06. My Mood:	For the work and love that went into it, anything less than 1000L would be a bargain. Hell, anything less than 1500L would. That's a work of art. __________________ Some day we will look back on all this, laugh nervously and quickly change the subject.

07-01-2008, 08:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ten Baby FIC Destroyer of Worlds Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,910 SL Join Date: 10/7/2006 My Mood: Awards: 1	Oh, Winter - keep in mind that the Japanese market tends to price L$ very, very low. The SL Fashion side is reflecting the needs of the japanese market lately. I think if one of the SL Japan-ers tried to sell this, they'd be going for $500L.

07-01-2008, 08:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
Charlemagne Allen Big Damn Heroes doesn't care for your pathetic excuses, you filthy commoner! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,679 SL Join Date: February 2007 My Mood:	1500 is my idea-- it shouldn't be so cheap as for everyone to have it, but for it to be above 1500, it would need to have tons of scripting along with the beautiful primwork (such as the C-Tech mechs). __________________ Charlemagne Allen: YOU'RE A RACIST! Charlemagne Allen: I HAVE CHATLOGS! smokergirl Lowenhar: HOMOPHOBE smokergirl Lowenhar: CONTENT THIEF Charlemagne Allen: RELIGION SUCKS DONKEY BALLS! smokergirl Lowenhar: KISS MY ASS YOU CLOSE MINDED HYPOCRIT Charlemagne Allen: YOU WERE AN ESCORT FOR BARN ANIMALS! smokergirl Lowenhar: I HAVE CHAT LOGS FROM A BLOG I SAW ON A FAN SITE, OWNED? YES I THINK SO Charlemagne Allen: ZOMG BIG SIG! Charlemagne Allen: ZOMG BIG SIG! [

07-01-2008, 08:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,012 SLShopper Ads: 4 My Mood:	I think it rocks, but like you I'm terrible at pricing things. And WarKirby, I haven't seen any better than this in the female bot area - by far.

07-01-2008, 08:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ann Launay Neko-licious™ Likes Spoons Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,071 SL Join Date: 8/8/06 My Mood:	Geez, WarKirby, who pissed in your Wheaties? __________________ ~Now Trout Re-Re-Certified!~ "I'm bumping you to a 7.3. You are now beyond girl-next-door-hot and into dream-girl-steamy-fantasy hot. I approve. Shame on you and congratulations! You are borderline slutty." Obligatory Flickr Stuffies

07-01-2008, 08:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
WarKirby Magojiro Doing stuff My PC is fixed, YAY ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,351 SL Join Date: 14/10/2006 Business: MagoTek Industries SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	500 Last edited by WarKirby Magojiro; 07-01-2008 at 09:37 AM.

07-01-2008, 08:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade SERIOUS WIZARD I HATE MAYA Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,223 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	She wasn't asking for a critique. Nobody asked your opinion of the work. __________________ joshuameadows.com \| blog.abstractavatars.com

07-01-2008, 08:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
WarKirby Magojiro Doing stuff My PC is fixed, YAY ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,351 SL Join Date: 14/10/2006 Business: MagoTek Industries SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	500 Last edited by WarKirby Magojiro; 07-01-2008 at 09:37 AM.

07-01-2008, 08:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
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07-01-2008, 08:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ann Launay Neko-licious™ Likes Spoons Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,071 SL Join Date: 8/8/06 My Mood:	It's fukn adorable...my avs pretty much always have a cat theme, but I could totally see wandering around the grid in wearing that on occasion. Of course, if it had optional robot kitty parts...

07-01-2008, 08:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
WarKirby Magojiro Doing stuff My PC is fixed, YAY ^_^ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 2,351 SL Join Date: 14/10/2006 Business: MagoTek Industries SLShopper Ads: 1 My Mood:	500 Last edited by WarKirby Magojiro; 07-01-2008 at 09:37 AM.

07-01-2008, 08:36 AM	#19 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade SERIOUS WIZARD I HATE MAYA Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,223 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Great, you've given your opinion.

07-01-2008, 08:38 AM	#21 (permalink)
Atashi Yue Meh(Tee Em) Outside the Median Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,012 SLShopper Ads: 4 My Mood:	LL does screw up shiny IMHO. But, it's all we've got for now.

07-01-2008, 08:42 AM	#22 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade SERIOUS WIZARD I HATE MAYA Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 22,223 SL Join Date: 10-11-2004 Business: abstract avatars! SLShopper Ads: 16 My Mood:	Anyway Winter, in my personal experience, people don't really want to pay a whole lot for a complete avatar. My most expensive stuff are 500 and to justify above that is really difficult. It's not a value statement on your stuff because that avatar really is amazingly beautiful (from the photos as I haven't seen one in-world) and makes me really jealous. But most people aren't going to get that it's so well done and aren't going to really care. I would say 750 really max, above that and people don't really want to pay for an avatar because that's a range reserved for houses or tools of some sort. I would personally price under that on the basis of selling more because it's so high quality verses selling a handful to people who recognize the building.
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