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NiranV Dean · 04-04-2014, 10:38 PM

Hello again.

It's me. Doctor Niran. Today... i present you with this beautiful new Viewer which will make your PC transform into a toaster! Prepare your toasts.

I think not much needs to be said from here on, instead, i will leave this Video and a few pictures and let them speak for themself.

OHSHITHEREWEGO Mode. - YouTube

You can find all update news aswell as Downloads (when they go live) on my Blog here:
Black Dragon Update News

Penny Patton · 04-05-2014, 11:42 AM

Any idea when this update will go live?

NiranV Dean · 04-05-2014, 11:46 AM

The installer is waiting on my HD. It goes live as soon as the Viewer is being listed in the TPVD along with some possibly new Viewers. I know that it's already accepted, it is only waiting for those other Viewers atm and Oz said it can't take that long anymore and should go TPVD on Monday if not sooner.

Da5id Weatherwax · 04-05-2014, 10:19 PM

Niran, what changes did you make from "clean-install defaults" to take that video? it looks amazing.

NiranV Dean · 04-06-2014, 05:03 AM

Shadow Resolution is at 2048x2048 with a 2.0 multiplicator. That's my default (not in the Viewer because many GPU's wouldn't handle it well i suppose).
Depth of Field was disabled because it likes to annoy in such camera flythroughs.
Screen Space Reflections was enabled.
Craptacular Sunshafts was enabled. (only activatable via shader change, there is no UI switch)
Draw Distance was set to 768m.
Vignette Strength was set to 0.8.
Blue Galaxy (custom) Windlight Preset was used.

The rest was plain default with everything enabled including Tone Mapping and Color Correction.

Da5id Weatherwax · 04-06-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

...Craptacular Sunshafts was enabled. (only activatable via shader change, there is no UI switch)...

So how does one make this change without rolling ones own viewer from your sources? I really liked that effect.

Michael Moonlight · 04-07-2014, 04:35 AM

Nice view!
The other day I had the 2.3.9.6. And I was still missing the light reflections on Linden water. I have some nice torches at my beach, and allways enjoyed the midnight ambiente, thus I missed this.
I checked other viewers, incl latest FS, and all didn't show the reflections. Earlier releases did.
So I filed a Jira at Firestormviewer.org, and the result was: Linden viewer no longer supports this, cauz of performance-weight. And the Firestorm team seams to not fix this. At the other hand, my PC is running Win7-64 at AMD FX4170, 8GB Mushkin @ 1996, Nvidia GTX650. There never was any performance issue at ultra settings, including reflections...
Back to FS 4.4.2xxxx the reflections are still visible.
My question is: could you please reactivate this nice feature in your viewer?

NiranV Dean · 04-07-2014, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da5id Weatherwax

So how does one make this change without rolling ones own viewer from your sources? I really liked that effect.

Go into your Viewer directory

app_settings/shaders/class2

and open softenLightF.glsl

remove #if GODRAYS and its end #endif at line 376/402 & 743/746 and save the file.

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Originally Posted by Michael Moonlight

Nice view!
The other day I had the 2.3.9.6. And I was still missing the light reflections on Linden water. I have some nice torches at my beach, and allways enjoyed the midnight ambiente, thus I missed this.
I checked other viewers, incl latest FS, and all didn't show the reflections. Earlier releases did.
So I filed a Jira at Firestormviewer.org, and the result was: Linden viewer no longer supports this, cauz of performance-weight. And the Firestorm team seams to not fix this. At the other hand, my PC is running Win7-64 at AMD FX4170, 8GB Mushkin @ 1996, Nvidia GTX650. There never was any performance issue at ultra settings, including reflections...
Back to FS 4.4.2xxxx the reflections are still visible.
My question is: could you please reactivate this nice feature in your viewer?

light reflections on water are gone? WHAT?! *checks*
Ohdear god they really did...*hacks it back in*... it even looks like they added an offset to reflections...you can see that when looking from top down on a light source... the light on water is off...

anyway... heres the original:

heres my hacky reimplement + no offset:

Da5id Weatherwax · 04-07-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

Go into your Viewer directory

app_settings/shaders/class2

and open softenLightF.glsl

remove #if GODRAYS and its end #endif at line 376/402 & 743/746 and save the file.

those conditionals are not present in the shader glsl files in my current Black Dragon install (your latest release)

Code:

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
$ find . -name "*.glsl" -exec grep -i GODRAYS {} \; -ls

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
$

Tequila Hurricane · 04-07-2014, 10:30 AM

This is just beautiful Niran. It makes me wish I wasn't a cheapskate. I might have to start shopping for upgrades now instead of when my graphics are no longer usable.

NiranV Dean · 04-07-2014, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da5id Weatherwax

those conditionals are not present in the shader glsl files in my current Black Dragon install (your latest release)

Code:

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
$ find . -name "*.glsl" -exec grep -i GODRAYS {} \; -ls

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
$

thats because this post was meant for my upcoming update.

Da5id Weatherwax · 04-07-2014, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

thats because this post was meant for my upcoming update.

ok

will be looking forward to it - Thanks for the clarification

Michael Moonlight · 04-07-2014, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

light reflections on water are gone? WHAT?! *checks*
Ohdear god they really did...*hacks it back in*... it even looks like they added an offset to reflections...you can see that when looking from top down on a light source... the light on water is off...

anyway... heres the original:

heres my hacky reimplement + no offset:

Well done, Niran! Is this a hack we can do for the actual release, too?

NiranV Dean · 04-08-2014, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Moonlight

Well done, Niran! Is this a hack we can do for the actual release, too?

Yes you could, since the update will not include it or anything else done since 3rd of April. I packed the update back then and its ready to go live as soon as it hits the TPVD.

All you would have to do to "hack" this in as well is go to my Sourcecode website and search for the commit i did to re-add them, then do it yourself (it's only a simple shader change as well and could be done with a halfway decent text editor prog). This change is not live yet, so don't even waste time searching but i can link it here when i push these changes.

NiranV Dean · 04-14-2014, 08:30 PM

I'm working on 2.4 in background (a bit) and starting to do stuff all over the place, one of many big changes i planned is a redo of the main interface. Here's a first concept of what my mind came up with:

Soda Sullivan · 04-15-2014, 07:50 AM

I like this look Niran. One of the things that I have always liked about your viewer is the clean and open real estate, and this is very clean. Not crazy about the "paint brush" look up top, I like your hexagon scales much better.

Adeon Writer · 04-15-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

I'm working on 2.4 in background (a bit) and starting to do stuff all over the place, one of many big changes i planned is a redo of the main interface. Here's a first concept of what my mind came up with:

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Adeon Writer · 04-15-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Soda Sullivan

I like this look Niran. One of the things that I have always liked about your viewer is the clean and open real estate, and this is very clean. Not crazy about the "paint brush" look up top, I like your hexagon scales much better.

I have a hexagon fetish but I really like that this gets away with removing the top bar. If you don't like the brush effect you can always transparent the texture, too.

NiranV Dean · 04-15-2014, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adeon Writer

I have a hexagon fetish but I really like that this gets away with removing the top bar. If you don't like the brush effect you can always transparent the texture, too.

And decrease readability to 0. Also, i hope your mom doesn't mind PINK naked bunnies.

Hitomi Tiponi · 04-15-2014, 12:30 PM

That is rather cool - though I would make it a bit grayer. You are becoming a good designer Niran

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NiranV Dean · 04-15-2014, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitomi Tiponi

That is rather cool - though I would make it a bit grayer. You are becoming a good designer Niran

.

Am i becoming a good designer or was i always a good designer and you just haven't seen me doing anything good?

___

Added the top toolbar to it...finally, moved the buttons a bit aswell as the menu and added the background image for the build coord display aswell as the sys well count.

Da5id Weatherwax · 04-15-2014, 07:32 PM

me like! I'd probably prefer the option to have a clean rectangular bg on the topbar items, possibly fading out smoothly rather than with the paintbrush effect but the brush effect sure wouldn't be a dealbreaker. To my eye it just looks "untidy" and draws the eye to the edges of the topbar and coords display rather than keeping them unnoticed until you need to look at them. Not going to gripe at it if it's part of the price for the next version, though.

NiranV Dean · 04-16-2014, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da5id Weatherwax

me like! I'd probably prefer the option to have a clean rectangular bg on the topbar items, possibly fading out smoothly rather than with the paintbrush effect but the brush effect sure wouldn't be a dealbreaker. To my eye it just looks "untidy" and draws the eye to the edges of the topbar and coords display rather than keeping them unnoticed until you need to look at them. Not going to gripe at it if it's part of the price for the next version, though.

A clean rectangular bg is not the point of this whole reskin.

Soda Sullivan · 04-16-2014, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiranV Dean

i hope your mom doesn't mind PINK naked bunnies.

Well, it IS almost Easter, so who would not want a pink naked bunny?

<----not pink

NiranV Dean · 04-17-2014, 01:13 PM

PUT ALL THE BUTTONS UP THERE!

Then organize them with spacers.

04-05-2014, 11:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Penny Patton Oddly Controversial Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Here and there. Kinda inbetween places now. Posts: 4,717 My Mood: SL Join Date: 11/30/2005 Business: Retired	Any idea when this update will go live? __________________ Tips and tricks to improving your Second Life.

04-07-2014, 04:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Michael Moonlight Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 8 Client: Firestorm 4.4.2.xxx	Nice view! The other day I had the 2.3.9.6. And I was still missing the light reflections on Linden water. I have some nice torches at my beach, and allways enjoyed the midnight ambiente, thus I missed this. I checked other viewers, incl latest FS, and all didn't show the reflections. Earlier releases did. So I filed a Jira at Firestormviewer.org, and the result was: Linden viewer no longer supports this, cauz of performance-weight. And the Firestorm team seams to not fix this. At the other hand, my PC is running Win7-64 at AMD FX4170, 8GB Mushkin @ 1996, Nvidia GTX650. There never was any performance issue at ultra settings, including reflections... Back to FS 4.4.2xxxx the reflections are still visible. My question is: could you please reactivate this nice feature in your viewer? __________________ If all the experts are singing from the same hymnal - be careful! _Betrand Russel_

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04-05-2014, 11:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
NiranV Dean Naked Kitty Blurring Motions Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,546 My Mood: SL Join Date: 6th Jan. 2007 Client: Black Dragon Blog Entries: 12	The installer is waiting on my HD. It goes live as soon as the Viewer is being listed in the TPVD along with some possibly new Viewers. I know that it's already accepted, it is only waiting for those other Viewers atm and Oz said it can't take that long anymore and should go TPVD on Monday if not sooner.

04-05-2014, 10:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Da5id Weatherwax Senior Member I have no status Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,201 Business: No Escape Client: Nirans or development daily build	Niran, what changes did you make from "clean-install defaults" to take that video? it looks amazing.

04-06-2014, 05:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
NiranV Dean Naked Kitty Blurring Motions Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,546 My Mood: SL Join Date: 6th Jan. 2007 Client: Black Dragon Blog Entries: 12	Shadow Resolution is at 2048x2048 with a 2.0 multiplicator. That's my default (not in the Viewer because many GPU's wouldn't handle it well i suppose). Depth of Field was disabled because it likes to annoy in such camera flythroughs. Screen Space Reflections was enabled. Craptacular Sunshafts was enabled. (only activatable via shader change, there is no UI switch) Draw Distance was set to 768m. Vignette Strength was set to 0.8. Blue Galaxy (custom) Windlight Preset was used. The rest was plain default with everything enabled including Tone Mapping and Color Correction.

04-07-2014, 10:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tequila Hurricane Senior Member Monkey Business Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,636 My Mood: SL Join Date: 11/13/2007 Business: SL Freebie Blog Feed Awards: 1	This is just beautiful Niran. It makes me wish I wasn't a cheapskate. I might have to start shopping for upgrades now instead of when my graphics are no longer usable.

04-14-2014, 08:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
NiranV Dean Naked Kitty Blurring Motions Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,546 My Mood: SL Join Date: 6th Jan. 2007 Client: Black Dragon Blog Entries: 12	I'm working on 2.4 in background (a bit) and starting to do stuff all over the place, one of many big changes i planned is a redo of the main interface. Here's a first concept of what my mind came up with:

04-15-2014, 07:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
Soda Sullivan Miss Congeniality Dressed up like a car crash Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,576 My Mood: Client: Black Dragon, FS, SL Viewer	I like this look Niran. One of the things that I have always liked about your viewer is the clean and open real estate, and this is very clean. Not crazy about the "paint brush" look up top, I like your hexagon scales much better.

04-15-2014, 12:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
Hitomi Tiponi Miss StarLight The little dabbler Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK, Australia, Japan, and sometimes elsewhere in Europe and Asia ....best to be a moving target Posts: 3,117 SL Join Date: 06/12/08	That is rather cool - though I would make it a bit grayer. You are becoming a good designer Niran .

04-15-2014, 07:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
Da5id Weatherwax Senior Member I have no status Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,201 Business: No Escape Client: Nirans or development daily build	me like! I'd probably prefer the option to have a clean rectangular bg on the topbar items, possibly fading out smoothly rather than with the paintbrush effect but the brush effect sure wouldn't be a dealbreaker. To my eye it just looks "untidy" and draws the eye to the edges of the topbar and coords display rather than keeping them unnoticed until you need to look at them. Not going to gripe at it if it's part of the price for the next version, though.

04-17-2014, 01:13 PM	#25 (permalink)
NiranV Dean Naked Kitty Blurring Motions Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,546 My Mood: SL Join Date: 6th Jan. 2007 Client: Black Dragon Blog Entries: 12	PUT ALL THE BUTTONS UP THERE! Then organize them with spacers.

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