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Old 04-04-2014, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello again.

It's me. Doctor Niran. Today... i present you with this beautiful new Viewer which will make your PC transform into a toaster! Prepare your toasts.

I think not much needs to be said from here on, instead, i will leave this Video and a few pictures and let them speak for themself.









You can find all update news aswell as Downloads (when they go live) on my Blog here:
Black Dragon Update News
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Any idea when this update will go live?
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The installer is waiting on my HD. It goes live as soon as the Viewer is being listed in the TPVD along with some possibly new Viewers. I know that it's already accepted, it is only waiting for those other Viewers atm and Oz said it can't take that long anymore and should go TPVD on Monday if not sooner.
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Niran, what changes did you make from "clean-install defaults" to take that video? it looks amazing.
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Shadow Resolution is at 2048x2048 with a 2.0 multiplicator. That's my default (not in the Viewer because many GPU's wouldn't handle it well i suppose).
Depth of Field was disabled because it likes to annoy in such camera flythroughs.
Screen Space Reflections was enabled.
Craptacular Sunshafts was enabled. (only activatable via shader change, there is no UI switch)
Draw Distance was set to 768m.
Vignette Strength was set to 0.8.
Blue Galaxy (custom) Windlight Preset was used.

The rest was plain default with everything enabled including Tone Mapping and Color Correction.
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...Craptacular Sunshafts was enabled. (only activatable via shader change, there is no UI switch)...
So how does one make this change without rolling ones own viewer from your sources? I really liked that effect.
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Old 04-07-2014, 04:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Nice view!
The other day I had the 2.3.9.6. And I was still missing the light reflections on Linden water. I have some nice torches at my beach, and allways enjoyed the midnight ambiente, thus I missed this.
I checked other viewers, incl latest FS, and all didn't show the reflections. Earlier releases did.
So I filed a Jira at Firestormviewer.org, and the result was: Linden viewer no longer supports this, cauz of performance-weight. And the Firestorm team seams to not fix this. At the other hand, my PC is running Win7-64 at AMD FX4170, 8GB Mushkin @ 1996, Nvidia GTX650. There never was any performance issue at ultra settings, including reflections...
Back to FS 4.4.2xxxx the reflections are still visible.
My question is: could you please reactivate this nice feature in your viewer?
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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So how does one make this change without rolling ones own viewer from your sources? I really liked that effect.
Go into your Viewer directory

app_settings/shaders/class2

and open softenLightF.glsl

remove #if GODRAYS and its end #endif at line 376/402 & 743/746 and save the file.


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Nice view!
The other day I had the 2.3.9.6. And I was still missing the light reflections on Linden water. I have some nice torches at my beach, and allways enjoyed the midnight ambiente, thus I missed this.
I checked other viewers, incl latest FS, and all didn't show the reflections. Earlier releases did.
So I filed a Jira at Firestormviewer.org, and the result was: Linden viewer no longer supports this, cauz of performance-weight. And the Firestorm team seams to not fix this. At the other hand, my PC is running Win7-64 at AMD FX4170, 8GB Mushkin @ 1996, Nvidia GTX650. There never was any performance issue at ultra settings, including reflections...
Back to FS 4.4.2xxxx the reflections are still visible.
My question is: could you please reactivate this nice feature in your viewer?
light reflections on water are gone? WHAT?! *checks*
Ohdear god they really did...*hacks it back in*... it even looks like they added an offset to reflections...you can see that when looking from top down on a light source... the light on water is off...

anyway... heres the original:



heres my hacky reimplement + no offset:


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Go into your Viewer directory

app_settings/shaders/class2

and open softenLightF.glsl

remove #if GODRAYS and its end #endif at line 376/402 & 743/746 and save the file.
those conditionals are not present in the shader glsl files in my current Black Dragon install (your latest release)

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$ find . -name "*.glsl" -exec grep -i GODRAYS {} \; -ls

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
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This is just beautiful Niran. It makes me wish I wasn't a cheapskate. I might have to start shopping for upgrades now instead of when my graphics are no longer usable.

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those conditionals are not present in the shader glsl files in my current Black Dragon install (your latest release)

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$ find . -name "*.glsl" -exec grep -i GODRAYS {} \; -ls

/cygdrive/d/Program Files (x86)/Black Dragon
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thats because this post was meant for my upcoming update.
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thats because this post was meant for my upcoming update.
ok will be looking forward to it - Thanks for the clarification
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light reflections on water are gone? WHAT?! *checks*
Ohdear god they really did...*hacks it back in*... it even looks like they added an offset to reflections...you can see that when looking from top down on a light source... the light on water is off...

anyway... heres the original:

heres my hacky reimplement + no offset:
Well done, Niran! Is this a hack we can do for the actual release, too?
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Well done, Niran! Is this a hack we can do for the actual release, too?
Yes you could, since the update will not include it or anything else done since 3rd of April. I packed the update back then and its ready to go live as soon as it hits the TPVD.

All you would have to do to "hack" this in as well is go to my Sourcecode website and search for the commit i did to re-add them, then do it yourself (it's only a simple shader change as well and could be done with a halfway decent text editor prog). This change is not live yet, so don't even waste time searching but i can link it here when i push these changes.
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I'm working on 2.4 in background (a bit) and starting to do stuff all over the place, one of many big changes i planned is a redo of the main interface. Here's a first concept of what my mind came up with:

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I like this look Niran. One of the things that I have always liked about your viewer is the clean and open real estate, and this is very clean. Not crazy about the "paint brush" look up top, I like your hexagon scales much better.
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I like this look Niran. One of the things that I have always liked about your viewer is the clean and open real estate, and this is very clean. Not crazy about the "paint brush" look up top, I like your hexagon scales much better.

I have a hexagon fetish but I really like that this gets away with removing the top bar. If you don't like the brush effect you can always transparent the texture, too.
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I have a hexagon fetish but I really like that this gets away with removing the top bar. If you don't like the brush effect you can always transparent the texture, too.
And decrease readability to 0. Also, i hope your mom doesn't mind PINK naked bunnies.
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That is rather cool - though I would make it a bit grayer. You are becoming a good designer Niran .
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That is rather cool - though I would make it a bit grayer. You are becoming a good designer Niran .
Am i becoming a good designer or was i always a good designer and you just haven't seen me doing anything good?


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Added the top toolbar to it...finally, moved the buttons a bit aswell as the menu and added the background image for the build coord display aswell as the sys well count.

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me like! I'd probably prefer the option to have a clean rectangular bg on the topbar items, possibly fading out smoothly rather than with the paintbrush effect but the brush effect sure wouldn't be a dealbreaker. To my eye it just looks "untidy" and draws the eye to the edges of the topbar and coords display rather than keeping them unnoticed until you need to look at them. Not going to gripe at it if it's part of the price for the next version, though.
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me like! I'd probably prefer the option to have a clean rectangular bg on the topbar items, possibly fading out smoothly rather than with the paintbrush effect but the brush effect sure wouldn't be a dealbreaker. To my eye it just looks "untidy" and draws the eye to the edges of the topbar and coords display rather than keeping them unnoticed until you need to look at them. Not going to gripe at it if it's part of the price for the next version, though.
A clean rectangular bg is not the point of this whole reskin.
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Well, it IS almost Easter, so who would not want a pink naked bunny?
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PUT ALL THE BUTTONS UP THERE!

Then organize them with spacers.

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