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Old 03-08-2012, 06:29 AM   #2451 (permalink)
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I think reading between the lines just feeds the drama and outrage ... it's probably better to take things at face value and realize that over time direction and options change and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Fretting endlessly about things over which we have no control isn't healthy or productive.
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I think reading between the lines just feeds the drama and outrage ... it's probably better to take things at face value and realize that over time direction and options change and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Fretting endlessly about things over which we have no control isn't healthy or productive.

But..but...but...

It's only page 50!



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Old 03-08-2012, 06:50 AM   #2454 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:12 AM   #2455 (permalink)
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Page 123 here... Using Tapatalk. you can stop fretting now.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:14 AM   #2456 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:01 AM   #2457 (permalink)
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and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Oh i think one particular TPV team has quite a bit of leverage to change things. The responsible people at LL must think twice, trice, as often as necessary before they use drastic force on the users or on the developers, and have a really solid justification way beyond "we don't like it" or "we feel it might be slowing us down".
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:12 AM   #2458 (permalink)
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To me, Official viewer is getting better, if they would just let you dock FUI icons to the top, I'd probably switch over from Exodus and leave the whole TPV scene for a while.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:16 AM   #2459 (permalink)
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Note on viewer tags: Beta grid does not block them. I don't know if following ToS on the beta grid is necessary for TPV's, but if it is, they violate it.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:22 AM   #2460 (permalink)
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As much as a respect Henri, I do wish he would refocus his talents on making V3 better than finding ever more ingenious ways to put sticky plasters on V1.
I agree, but Henri has told me personally several times he refuses to even consider working on V2/3.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:36 PM   #2461 (permalink)
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I agree, but Henri has told me personally several times he refuses to even consider working on V2/3.
I refuse to ever eat certain kinds of seafood. I stand by the conviction that just because you can dredge some slimy things ass out the ocean you should then put it in your mouth. I understand that it's totally irrational and that some of the slippery buggers much actually taste quite nice if only I would try them.

There comes a point when you have to accept you're not going to get any sympathy for refusing to even try.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:43 PM   #2462 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #2463 (permalink)
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:56 PM   #2464 (permalink)
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Yeah ... new shiny doesn't mean users switching. If anything as mesh demonstrated, new shiny gets ignored till it's forced on the V1 users with a TPV backport.
I dunno about forced adoption of mesh, the uptake on Phoe with mesh was pretty slow compared to any previous Phoe release. It came out early December but didn't see much usage till January. Even on FS is was fairly slow.
Edit 5/15/2012: ^ That is all wrong, gdocs messed up the chart. I noticed this on the next page and posted a fixed graphic. I've since updated updated this one too. Uptake looks rather quick here, but that first slop between Dec-Jan is misleading due to no stats for a couple weeks during the Linden holiday.]



(The previous version of this chart I made was incorrect, I had accidentally included versions of Viewer2 that didn't have mesh support enabled.)

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Note on viewer tags: Beta grid does not block them. I don't know if following ToS on the beta grid is necessary for TPV's, but if it is, they violate it.
The unbaked face nulling code likely hasn't been merged back to

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I agree, but Henri has told me personally several times he refuses to even consider working on V2/3.
Not to mention publicly since from at least the start of Snowstorm.

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What do the two lines on the chart indicate, and what does something like "70.00% mesh adoption rate" mean (I think I understand but I'd rather not guess)?
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:35 PM   #2466 (permalink)
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Let's see, when did Water Horse's awesome mesh deer avatar come out? I know a few people who switched to mesh just to see that.
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What do the two lines on the chart indicate, and what does something like "70.00% mesh adoption rate" mean (I think I understand but I'd rather not guess)?
Viewer usage compared via mesh support. White line, doesn't support mesh; blue line, supports mesh.

I was too lazy to fix the legend on the chat, goggle docs is currently still rather messed up after last month's update.
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Thanks. And what is "mesh adoption rate" on the Y axis? Percentage of unique logins a day with a mesh-capable viewer?
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Thanks. And what is "mesh adoption rate" on the Y axis? Percentage of unique logins a day with a mesh-capable viewer?
Unique logins and session counts are kinda useless in this context, most everyone (LL included from what I've heard) uses the total session duration over a week. The scale would be measured in 100's of user-years per week.
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Let's see, when did Water Horse's awesome mesh deer avatar come out? I know a few people who switched to mesh just to see that.
See what? where? Who ?!
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Oh i think one particular TPV team has quite a bit of leverage to change things. The responsible people at LL must think twice, trice, as often as necessary before they use drastic force on the users or on the developers, and have a really solid justification way beyond "we don't like it" or "we feel it might be slowing us down".
I think one particular TPV needs to get it's ego in check and focus more on improving its viewer and less on the drama.
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Note on viewer tags: Beta grid does not block them. I don't know if following ToS on the beta grid is necessary for TPV's, but if it is, they violate it.
I asked about it specifically today. No action on viewer developers' end is necessary. "What happens on Aditi, stays on Aditi".
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I think one particular TPV needs to get it's ego in check and focus more on improving its viewer and less on the drama.
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I dunno about forced adoption of mesh, the uptake on Phoe with mesh was pretty slow compared to any previous Phoe release. It came out early December but didn't see much usage till January. Even on FS is was fairly slow.
I wonder what happened to cause that jump in the first two weeks of january.
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