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[#FIRE-1375] Add an option: Disable viewer tag UUID - Phoenix Viewer

Andromeda Rage

If only John Carmack or someone of his caliber would look at it...

Jack Belvedere

While I'm up, can I get anyone a sandwich?

Ann Otoole

a Joshua sandwich? *giggles*

Tonya Souther

That's just Exodus that does that, and the official RLVa patch will never do it - since Kitty Barnett thinks, and I agree, that that defeats the entire purpose of RLVa, as well as breaking the semantics of such things as RLV detection: if you have RLV items on at login, and RLV enabled, then turn RLV off, what's supposed to happen?

Tonya Souther

Yeah. Argent filed that, and nobody agreed with him.

I sure as hell am not going in there. There be dragons.

Jack Belvedere

Innula Zenovka

I know that, but what I'm saying is that normally you're going to want to include a timed cut out anyway, as a precaution in case the victim logs out while locked in the cage and then doesn't log in for another week or so, if the cage is intended for public use. Or I do, anyway. And if the cage is in private use and it's someone's pet who cheats that way, the Master or Mistress has plenty of other ways of knowing what's going on. So I don't see the particular advantage other than that you get to know sooner rather than later to free up the cage for use by someone else.

/me doesn't like dataserver calls. Nasty fiddly things.

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Tonya Souther

They're not bad at all, actually. Just have to keep track of which request is which, either by checking the request ID or else using different states for different circumstances where you do requests. I use both techniques.

Kadah Coba

You've only come to like maybe 2 or 3 of them a year....

One of the two main ones is in Arizona. LL would just be better off moving the whole SanFran office out of cali and moving to Texas like most large companies here have already done. Only an idiot would start a new business here today.

Latif Khalifa

You might like the condescending attitude Oz Linden gives TPVs, perhaps sitting in his lap changes your perspective. But I cannot stand that so if there is anything important I just go through the transcripts.

Siana Gearz

I have never heard of such a wish. For that matter, actually Singularity allows to disable broadcasting the tag, but i have not heard of a single person who uses Singularity BECAUSE of this.

Well give it a shot before it's too late. make a noob account, go around in noob areas without a viewer tags. See whether you'll get pestered around. I'm sure you will. There are places around where you aren't allowed to show up with anything but Phoenix or Firestorm, they'd be "OMG could be a Copybot!!!". There are communities where one or another of the smaller viewers is the standard one.

Argent Stonecutter

Yeh, and I was warning people about parcel media privacy exploits for years before RedZone. Then all of a sudden it was flavor of the month. That's the nature of information leaks... only security geeks care until something happens.

Most of the people who do care don't mind the new viewers, so rather than complain they just stuck with Dolphin or something else that lets you run stealthed.

[Edit: I've been reminded that Phoenix allows you to run stealthed, which I should have remembered because I did that too]

And obviously someone agreed with me at Linden Lab.

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Argent Stonecutter -- Skyhook Station -- Coonspiracy Store

"And now I'm going to show you something really cool."


The previous is a cybernetic datum published - in direct contravention of DoD Regulation #229RR3X3 - as being conducive to the physical, psychological and/or social well-being of the population.

Tonya Souther

The reason LL outlawed viewer tags is simply that they didn't want people to see how few folks were using their viewer as opposed to a TPV. It had nothing at all to do with agreeing with you.

Ann Otoole

LL will have to outlaw group titles sporting viewer labels too.

Argent Stonecutter

I never heard a peep when I was using Dolphin with a hidden tag, or older viewers like Snowglobe that never exposed a tag. I also turned off the tag when I was testing Phoenix (because it did allow that, in the stealth options) and never got pestered... or even had anyone comment on it.

And I regularly make new accounts, and wander around SL as an apparent newb in freebie avatars, so it's not because I'm using a crusty old account from 2006.

Inhandra

Only unofficially. Usually phrased as "Which version of Windows are you using?" -- which, if they're not using windows, I am then notified.

It's not just Exodus. Marine's RLV does it, which usually means Dolphin 3 as well since he pulls from Marine's.

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Innula Zenovka

Does it? I know Chalice's NaCl does, which is where Exodus took it from, but it's news to me Marine's does it.

In any event, it's a bit superfluous as far as cages go, since most relays let you safeword out.

eighthdwarf Checchinato

That is and always has been an exaggerated drama-mongering to begin with.
Showing a viewer tag has never caused griefing (just like being different never causes being beaten up). Griefers don't need a reason that "causes" their griefing.
If it weren't for the viewer tags those bully assholes would have found another excuse for their bullying someone. Be it your (the generic you) size or your shape, or be it because you're wearing something they disprove of, or because it looks better on you than on them, or be it because they got up with the wrong foot, etc.
Bullies always are bullies, they don't need a reason for it, but are always quick to find some scapegoat excuse.

Forbidding the viewer tags is comparable to a university ordering uniforms to be worn by all students at all time while on campus as a measure against the bullies among the students who used to bully others because of their outfits.

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Inhandra

I thought I read Marine's did it. Add NaCl to that list too then, and potentially remove RLV and Dolphin. I'd need to test those to try it. I've not been as active as I was when it comes to downloading ALL THE VIEWERS (...all the viewers? ) so my knowledge in that is kind of limited right now, admittedly.

ETA: Apparently I misread a changelog. It does not. So that's Exodus and NaCl.

Argent Stonecutter

Where in that JIRA was I even suggesting "forbidding the viewer tags"? All I wanted was for Firestorm to give users the same abilities as Phoenix.

Kadah Coba

I know I would have shot someone or quit by now if I had to put up with the same shit.

Indeed.

This thread is now about penises. Go.

I don't think there's a TPV dev I've talked to that hasn't been propositioned by at least several OpenSim grids to come devlop a viewer for them for money, but all of them so far want to pay the equivalent of a bag of peanuts for full time work. The cheapest out-sourcing firm would laugh at these offers. The silliest one I remember was they wanted the 4-5 man team for what would have been several months of full time work in exchange for a used mid-rage video card.

There were thing I wanted to do in this area a long while back with Phoenix (I think LGG did too), but I never had enough free time due to RL work.

It's looking like we'll have to fly a given idea by them first to see if its ok with 2.k before getting too involved on it.


You mean like this?

Hitomi Tiponi

Nalates has produced a long blog post that paraphrases the contents of the meeting for those that do not wish to lose a couple of hours of their lives.

Gabriell Anatra

That's one reason why I use it in preference to certain others. Not the only one, to be sure, but definitely one of them.

In the last part of last year I had a couple of minor run-ins with zealots and turned it off. The main difference is that instead of getting the "You're using a griefer viewer!" treatment I get "Why aren't you using Firestorm?"

It's really rather like a 'Soviet Russia' rp.

Kara Spengler

They are okay once you are used to them, but when you expect to be able to do something like C syntax file i/o ...

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