Joshua Nightshade

I don't mind if a five year old account is complaining, at least they were around when things were really shitty.

What annoys me is people who joined SL a month ago complaining about how it was so much better in their halcyon days. Kids, when I joined SL we didn't even have teleporting. Get off my lawn.

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Ann Otoole

If you see something the avatar in view did not agree to then you have violated the policy. So client side mods are absolutely part of this situation.

Ann Otoole

ok that is a very valid point

Joshua Nightshade

Oh sorry apparently we started bitching about Asperger's while I was asleep, I apologise for derailing the argument.

Jenn Luke

Thanks for proving what an nasty individual you are. You have no idea to the different levels of such a syndrome and to spew your hate in public shows everyone exactly what you are about.

Ann Otoole

When mentally ill people destroy businesses then it has to be called out. They should not be in any position where they can affect anyone else. Your problems are not mine. Destroying my income when I did not agree to funding your mental illness issues is not acceptable.

Wake the fuck up.

eta: I emphasize with people in this situation. But I no longer agree to my livelihood being destroyed by the issues others have. There are millions of unemployed people out there and finally I am not a member of that group. I completely agree with the fact businesses are not in business to pander to people that are not capable of functioning in a business environment. If you are one of the people who are not capable of having a job then i urge you to apply for disability. It will take years and you will likely be turned down. If, on the other hand, you are simply self entitled and butthurt then I encourage you to give that part of your personality up and go get a menial job that will fund your efforts to get certified or educated into a better job and go get one. There are thousands of jobs open that cannot be filled because people simply will not apply for them. My email inbox is full of pleas from recruiters that have dozens of jobs they can't fill.

Jenn Luke

No I dont have the syndrome but I have worked with many fine people who do and usually do a better job than complete washed up dead wood like you.

There is no need for me to wake up as you suggest but for yourself to look around.

Nika Talaj

I'm actually interested in the topic of this thread, can y'all take the side discussion (about Aspergers or SL business or Ann's various rages) to Off Topic or somewhere?

Thanks, hopefully.

Joshua Nightshade

Ha, good luck.

Andromeda Rage

So... uh, anyway... oh hey viewer tags breaking next Teusday/Wednesday.

Gonville

I'm finding it difficult to discover just what Oz did say. There's a recording of a voice chat session floating around, and with my ears I always have problems with voice chat. It seems an OK recording, but I don't recognise any of the voices. For me, at least, it's a lousy source for what the interpretation might be, a classic example of why a verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

And the new clauses of the TPV Policy are unclear as to meaning, appear at first glance to be contradictory, and have the feel of something written by a lawyer who doesn't have knowledge of the reality he's trying to apply rules to,

And then they dump this hodge-podge on us late on Friday and run away for the weekend.

Sredni Eel

I concur. A person with Aspergers is more likely to be underemployed or unemployed, but there are some who go on to make a huge difference in their workplace. Hell, Gary Numan has Aspergers, and he's made of awesome.

I wouldn't say anyone at Linden Lab falls into the category of high-spectrum Autism. Rather, they fall into the category of lower-functioning brain-deficient evil monkeys.

I do agree with Ann on one thing though: LL is not real keen on hiring folks who actually "play the game". Reading between the lines of the rejection letter I got after my interview for the customer service rep position there, I am on Second Life far too much for their comfort.

Lindens should be required to spend a certain amount of time in Second Life doing the same things normal residents do: Go clubbing, go shopping, try to build in a sandbox while a buttshelf brazilian noob tries to sex you out of the blue, and all of the other fun and exciting things we all know and love. Then maybe they'd be more inclined to make improvements to the user experience.

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Ann Otoole

You don't know me but if you did I would likely fire you for cause lmao.

You make invalid assumptions. I am on the side of business. I am not dead wood. I have a great job. If LL does not fix their issues then there will be numerous people that become the "washed up dead wood" you describe.

eta: If LL fails to fix the issues that make SL a sea of gray on weekends then the most popular viewer is likely to become one with full export sans permissions. Period. People are not going to wait forever for LL to be fixed. Open Sim is steadily advancing. Creators need to come to grips with this fact of life in the metaverse.

Trinity Dejavu

This business would be so much simpler if it wasn't for the bloody customers.

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Innula Zenovka

I'm a bit confused about the inclusion of Bouncy Boobs in the list, I must admit.

Assuming that Oz meant the Emerald implementation, then -- if I recall correctly -- it wasn't like the LL implementation, where you see my boobs behaving according to the physics layer I'm wearing. With Emerald, in contrast, you saw them (and everyone else's) bouncing, or not, as you'd set your viewer to make them move. My settings had nothing to do with it.

So I don't really see how that was part of the shared experience business.

I've not listened to the whole of the meeting, but I'm told that Oz's reference was in the nature of a somewhat throwaway line in response to one of Jessica Lyon's questions. So I'm wondering if we're maybe not reading too much into that particular example.

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Ann Otoole

Simple. Did the avatar in view agree to have bouncing titties. If not the viewer with client side bouncing titties is illegal. Phoenix is said to be rectifying this issue real soon now and client side titty bounce will be relegated to metaverse history.

Sonja Aeghin

I'm certain it is. With the addition of the physics layer in the official, Emerald-style physics are redundant.

Would client-side AOs be affected?. The official viewer does not have one. Just asking.

Trinity Dejavu

That is incorrect and implies that the issue was consent. If so, consenting to allow people to see your viewer tag would be enough. It is not.

If you replace the words Shared Experience, with Linden Experience, that paints a more accurate picture of what might constitute a TPV feature that would violate 2K.

If you present the world to your users in a way that the linden viewer can't, even if it fails or degrades gracefully and even if everyone consents. You are in violation of the TPV policy.

Ann Otoole

hmmm client side AOs enhance the shared experience by reducing server side scripting. A potentially excellent weapon to be used at meetings if LL is still stupid and fails to comprehend this fact.

Andromeda Rage

Don't think so. People on a vanilla viewer still see your animations, thus no shared-experience violation catastrophie. Actually, I think Oz mentioned something about possibly working with someone or at least looking into a viewer AO if I remember right.

Nika Talaj

wtf? Client side breast physics were removed from Phoenix last May, when they brought in LL's avatar physics code, no? Release 1102?

phoenix_avatar_physics [Phoenix Viewer]

What do you want them to do, remove old setup files from people's computers?

Soen Eber

Just a wild-assed guess, but when I was reading the open source dev list there were perhaps two dozen regular contributors, and maybe only a dozen of them were active on a daily basis.

Ann Otoole

If your viewer renders anything about another resident that differs from what the LL viewer renders that resident did not agree to then your viewer is in violation of the policy. Might I remind you that you do not make or enforce LL policy?

Ann Otoole

dunno. wizard gynoid was ranting all over twitter today that LL was taking away titty bounce. ("Save the bouncing tittiies!11" or some such tweet)

I guess LL needs to improve on their viewer blocking to eliminate all the old obsolete viewers. I was actually shocked to see so many people had no idea LL had delivered physics clothing layers ages ago.

Andromeda Rage

Yeah, Emerald-style boob physics are long gone from Phoenix. They're still in Singularity though (along with the LL implementation), last I looked.