Sione

Abuse flinging, blog comment wars, Phoenix vs Firestorm, special meetings.

"Firestorm sucks", "add multiple layers to Phoenix or I'm going elsewhere". "Jessica your attitude sucks", "You are meant to be the developers for the people". Blah blah blah.

Can't say I didn't see it coming. It's no secret what my opinion and predictions on the whole Phoenix with mesh/Firestorm thing is, I am one of the most vocal people on the subject around here.

But even still, this is ridiculous. It's one thing to have an opinion, but a lot of what is going on is more than opinions it's straight up abuse. If you are involving yourself in it, please, for the love of god, give it a rest.

The Phoenix team do not have an unlimited pool of developers to call on to please everyone, leave the abuse out of it. If things don't work out how you wanted them to and it severely disrupts your SL and mental state. Please try to just quietly just switch viewers to another one without the drama storm. The more time spent dealing with the crap that is going on, the less time spent on actually making viewers.

If you didn't know, there is a meeting going on today at 1pm SLT to address this craziness. Whatever happens, please just respect their decisions, it's their unpaid and freely provided project and this shit needs to stop before the users themselves destroy it.

Nigma Sterling

Thank you for the words, and the additional notice. Can I expect you in the audience?

Sione

I'm going to try to go, but if not I'll definitely be watching the recording. I have previously directly addressed a few of the devs on the issue here, my feelings are well known and I don't really have anything else constructive to add.

Han Held

Let me be blunt; at this point in time most of the phoenix fanboys are whiny brats that the firestorm project would do well to cut loose. The only good done by pandering to them is that by keeping them on phoenix, Henri isn't stuck dealing with them.

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Andromeda Rage

Yeah, Henri's got his hands full already... people whining on his forum "OMG WHEN IZ MULTI CLOTHENG LAYAR???" and he's like "STFU already, I'll be working on it when I'm working on it."

Brenda Connolly

From "The Agony and the Ecstasy:

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DanielRavenNest

Methinks the proper answer is:

"You want a different viewer? Write your own."

Imnotgoing Sideways

Y'know... Henri wrote his own client. It has mesh. =^-^=

For a long time Catznip has been great. Still us. (^_^)

And, given recent experience, I'll continue to laud Niran's. (^_^)

What does it ~HAVE~ to be Emerald/Phoenix/Firestorm? (=_=)

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WolfEyes

It may be too late for me. I burned out pretty badly. Badly enough that it burned me out on SL as well. I'm thinking that when I do get back into it I will be concerning myself only with the forum. I'm looking at revitalizing it between now and the first of the year. While I have been down for the count, I'm not out yet.

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Cindy Claveau

WTF. It's just a damned viewer, not a religion!

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Elysium Hynes

For some people it is a religion trust me, same with Emerald.

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Sione

Oh there are still people banging on about how much better than Phoenix, Emerald was. I guess the skin change threw them off.

Elysium Hynes

I love the: LL was just envious Emerald was such a better viewer and that´s why they took it down too.

Brenda Connolly

You are not of the Body!

Nebula

The viewer needs a rewrite, its bloated and lag heavy. The developers just rehashed emerald when it went to nix. And 90% of the code and features from emerald were taken from Day Oh and his griffer viewer. I do know the LGG was in charge of implementing the radar key system though.

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Cindy Claveau

Some people will just never comprehend the meaning of "open source".

Andromeda Rage

So... is there a recap and/or video of this anywhere? Teh googlez and youtubez are failing me.

Marianne Little

Phoenix users are... strange.

Not that I have anything against Phoenix. It was a good viewer in its time. I used it, I'm using Firestorm a lot now. Can't decide what I prefer of it and Dolphin 3.

But the problems some have with trying to use another viewer is puzzling to me. A half old mum like me, who knows next to nothing about computers switch viewers easily. Makes me wonder....

It's not so hard, is it?

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The QuietOne

I think the silent majority is in effect here. Myself, my partner and many of our friends use Phoenix and Firestorm and with the exception of one friend who is in in their beta test group, I doubt any of us have made our way to their forums.

But the bigger the user-base is... the larger the crazy, self-entitled fringe group is going to be...

Andromeda Rage

So many people go completely mental as soon as they hit that Logon button on the viewer startup screen. That button does multiple duty of logging you in as well as halving your mental age, and amping up to infinite degrees your hidden/suppressed histrionic dramamongering.

How do they function in everyday real life? "OMG I BOUGHT A NEW CAR AND WHEAR TEH HELL IZ TEH WINDSHIELD WIPER CONTOLS?????!!??? WTF!??! U SUXXX?!?!??"

Inhandra

A very, very, very irritating one.

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Ann Otoole

How's this:

Straight Talk With Jessica Lyons | Gay Worlds News

Vaelissa Cortes

You do realize that a significant amount of the user base prefers it simply due to how fast and stable it is, right?

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Innula Zenovka

Video now up at
Recap by Inara Pey at Phoenix / Firestorm Q and A – The Video | Living in the Modem World

ETA: and here too http://phoenixviewer.blogspot.com/20...recording.html

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Innula Zenovka

Back when I used to use Snowglobe viewers for anything but testing, I always found Phoenix ran considerably slower than Singularity or Cool VL, and that it was considerably more likely to crash than was Cool VL, which in my experience is very stable indeed (not that I suffered a notable number of crashes on any of them).