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Old 08-21-2010, 10:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Should Philip ban Emerald logins?

I am sure the Lindens would like your thoughts but are not in a position to ask. So tell Philip what he should do in your opinion.

This poll originates from an unconfirmed rumour:

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I wanted to make it abundantly clear, because Lindens don’t typically post comments on these boards to tell you guys what’s going on, that the Lindens have gotten word of this attack and are deliberating both removing Emerald from the TPV list and officially blocking it from accessing the Second Life main grid. The only roadblock is the fact that a huge chunk of clients currently use Emerald and they don’t want any problems with thousands of people submitting tickets and whatnot asking why they can’t connect. Phillip was the one who pointed it out and is pushing for the ban, so give him some love.
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yes. LL needs to investigate. It should be blocked until all these matters are solved.

ETA: each person involved with the dev. of emerald needs to be suspended also.

reading that article has made me very angry at their haphazard disregard for the users who made their viewer what it was. Note, I said was.


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Yes of course he should ban them. And if they don't want a multitude of tickets from people who don't know why they can't log in then they should put a HUGE BLOODY SIGN on the login page that due to x,y,z Emerald as a viewer is not abled right now kthnxbai.

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Due to fucktardness that we've now realised is under our control Emerald is not an approved viewer for Second Life (tee emm). Please check out these links for an alternative. Love, Phil <3
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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in that you tube video, there is audio a min or so into it. apparently pathfinder left a comment on their blog.


apparently this is what he said:

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If Emerald developers had done this using only their own servers and workstations, that would be one thing.

But you essentially co-opted every one of your customers’ clients to execute a “prank.” You used their computers and bandwidth to do it, and your customers were completely unaware of it.

Your customer is not a resource to use however you wish. Your customer is king. And it is the king who ultimately decides the fate of a kingdom.
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So Arabella Steadham is on the Emerald dev team?

Really?

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So Arabella Steadham is on the Emerald dev team?

Really?

Hooo boy.
She's crowd control I think. Sorry, "PR".
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So Arabella Steadham is on the Emerald dev team?

Really?

Hooo boy.
she sounds like a twit. you can tell in her voice she doesn't give a shit about anything or even what happened. there is no remorse or sincerity in her voice whats so ever.

if she is their publicist, well she is NOT doing a very good job.



Chalice: good for you for getting out of there when you did.

i really feel like posting on my flickr a link to all these sites. word gets around fast on flickr
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Why canīt we vote twice once for the options and twice for pie
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she sounds like a twit.
I know her from my old Archan days. I think you pegged her.

Story at 11:00.
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I know her from my old Archan days. I think you pegged her.

Story at 11:00.


i was in voice last night with my best friend and she and her guy were on emerald. and i just said LOG OFF NOW!

she got rid of emerald pretty damn quick
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I think key lime would be appropriate for this thread.

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I think key lime would be appropriate for this thread.

I voted for pie. That looks yummy! I'm gonna have to make some tomorrow.
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Your courtesy reminder to frequently change passwords and to use very strong passwords over 12 characters so complicated you have to use a text file to keep them in and copy paste into login screens lol:

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There are even add-ons for firefox for password entry to bypass using the keyboard.
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I think outright banning it might not be necessary, but definitely nothing less than removing it from the TPV registry.

Perhaps doing a suspension kind of system, ban it for a few days, explain why, and let their users get pissed at the Emerald devs for getting it suspended, give them 3 strikes. If they have to suspend 3 times then the viewer gets banned. Banning it for a few days too will let people get a glimpse at what else is out there.
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the emerald client is the biggest mess that i've ever seen.

... and i've seen the actual source code. the current emerald client already violates at least two points of the third party viewer policy before you even compile it, and that's just the source code...

... add the behaviour of the developers, and their attitude and history and the questionable legality of their other projects, and i'd say phil should NOT ONLY drop emerald from the tpv list and block it from logging in.

In my eyes this should be the course of action:
  1. emerald is dropped from the tpv directory
  2. emerald and all its derivatives are blacklisted and blocked from ever connecting to any sl-compatible grid under the control of linden labs
  3. all people involved with emerald and/or modular systems are permabanned from the grid
  4. all persons behind avatars that are banned in 3. are served a court order to never again create an account for second life.
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connecting to any sl-compatible grid under the control of linden labs[*]all people involved with emerald and/or modular systems are permabanned from the grid[*]all persons behind avatars that are banned in 3. are served a court order to never again create an account for second life.
You're a freak. Not everyone involved with Emerald has done anything wrong to quite deserve that level of reaction.

This is why people don't take your kind very seriously, and why they rightly say some of you are on a witchhunt. I'm not against dropping it from TPV directory, in fact that's advisable, but the rest of your advice will only result in an equal and opposite reaction to support Emerald once again.

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Not everyone involved with Emerald has done anything wrong to quite deserve that level of reaction.
But everyone who is left on the team seems to condone such actions.
Why else would they repeatedly shoot (as in, eject by killing) a reporter from their region, when that reporter wants to get a clear and distinct statement about the case from their PR person?

You know that only dropping emerald from the TPV directory will have ZERO effect, right?

People using emerald will continue to use it, and continue to point others to it, and continue to be ill used by "someone who happens to be an emerald developer but did not do it by order of the emerald team" (it being whatever evil trick they're going to pull next)

In RL, people involved in computer crime do get court orders like the one described... and last time I looked, using other people's computers for your own means without consent was a crime, and so was disruption of service (a dDOS attack, among other things). In most civilized countries, storage of personal information without consent and secretly is a crime too (onyx/CDS anyone?)
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But everyone who is left on the team seems to condone such actions.
Why else would they repeatedly shoot (as in, eject by killing) a reporter from their region, when that reporter wants to get a clear and distinct statement about the case from their PR person?

You know that only dropping emerald from the TPV directory will have ZERO effect, right?

People using emerald will continue to use it, and continue to point others to it, and continue to be ill used by "someone who happens to be an emerald developer but did not do it by order of the emerald team" (it being whatever evil trick they're going to pull next)

In RL, people involved in computer crime do get court orders like the one described... and last time I looked, using other people's computers for your own means without consent was a crime, and so was disruption of service (a dDOS attack, among other things). In most civilized countries, storage of personal information without consent and secretly is a crime too (onyx/CDS anyone?)
I'm not against banning it for a few days either. But banning EVERYONE involved with it, down to Arabella, Jessica, the new Lindens who joined before this shit hit the fan, Voted 5 style, is not something i am down with.

I wasn't for it with Voted 5, I wasn't for it with Woodbury, I am not for it in Emerald. Unlike the first two, the last one is going to have massive reaction on the grid.

Gently, gently, wean people off the teat and show them alternatives. But I've spoken to enough Emerald users to know that most of them will not quit using the software, and will only become more entrenched or even quit SL altogether if they don't have a similar alternative to switch to. So get cracking on developing a useful alternative.
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Gently, gently, wean people off the teat and show them alternatives. But I've spoken to enough Emerald users to know that most of them will not quit using the software, and will only become more entrenched or even quit SL altogether if they don't have a similar alternative to switch to. So get cracking on developing a useful alternative.

There are more than enough alternatives out there...
Ask oz linden why not all of them are in the TPV directory even though they are policy compliant and the application forms have been sitting on his desk since april.
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There are more than enough alternatives out there...
Ask oz linden why not all of them are in the TPV directory even though they are policy compliant and the application forms have been sitting on his desk since april.
They don't have all the features. I know, I use plenty of them.

Looks like Imprudence is the only one who is interested in giving people what they want, as opposed to the usual opensource dreck of giving people what they think they need.

This one engineering "I know better than you" mindset is why I really dislike many opensource projects (even though the idea of opensource isn't automatically a bad one)
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Pixeleen would probably get shot off a lot of places on the grid, I reckon. Not exactly a popular individual.

Using reporter in the same sentence seems to be a stretch, too... insult to professional reporters.
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