Mabb Dilweg

It is as I thought.... why are there people out there determined to make Emerald the Tool of the Devil, and the Emerald Devs His Spawn?

Is this another example of people wanting everything to be a yes/no black/white good/evil world where they don't have to think, evaluate and make their own decisions?

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Chalice Yao

Eh, it's been going on for a long time, and it's a mix of some of the developer's pasts being projected, dislike for third party viewers, attention seeking, code angst and 'I heard from a friend of a fiance's brother's secret lover's FBI agent cousin' gossiping, really. For the most part the latter when it comes to people spreading sillyness, but we're used to it :> It starts with pointing at Emerald's export repeatedly despite it not being the first public normal viewer to have it (nor being the viewer to have it ignore permissions), and ends with yelling 'oh gods they HAVE MY IP AND CONNECT TO THEIR SERVER IT MUST BE EVIL'. Of course such people need an education that login images don't get produced by the bytefairy.

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Mabb Dilweg

But the person making these accusations (the 10 times thing) is quite technically literate. Capable of verifying it themselves, and has for me lost quite a deal of credibility with this second inaccurate "advice" to the masses. The first was on a totally different topic, but constituted technical advice to the greater SL population.

Which makes me wonder at the agenda, and also kinda sad. I used to respect this person.

Chalice Yao

No idea, really. Some people make me wonder.
Having said that, if somebody -can- actually reproduce a case where Emerald, with the default tools and features -does- use 10x the bandwidth, I'd love to hear about steps for reproducing the situation...I just can't think of anything that remotely should do so, really. Aside of the Utility Stream which streams some whispers to the sim..nope, sorry. Even that shouldn't cause that. Most of SL's bandwidth usage are asset/texture/sound downloads anyways, now what the viewer sends.

Marianne Little

Yes, my inventory loads like a dream now! Thank you very much Katiem! Sorry for the late reply, I have been ill in RL.

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Chalice Yao

We'll possibly move the emerald cache and settins to their own named default folder, so one can safely run Emerald and any other third party viewer simultaneously.

Just be aware that the same complication can still arise then between said other third party viewers unless they do something similiar :>

Sobriquet Kryakutnoy

Oftentimes when I see bizarre accusations regarding bandwidth, inventory issues, et cetera being attributed to any particular third party viewer I just chalk it up to PEBKAC. Many SL users have tech-savvy enough to be dangerous without 100% comprehending what it is they are observing. (Hell, we all do in at least some aspect.)

Thus, they install a new client, start tweaking things (say, increasing the default bandwidth cap? utilizing more efficient rendering code? teleporting to a simulator with a ton of uncached textures?), and notice that their bandwidth consumption and ping times are off the chart. Immediately, the assumption made is "it must be the viewer". Even in the stock LL viewer, "the viewer" catches the blame for problems a lot more than it really should, as it is a convenient target and complex enough that most people won't care to dig down into the technical details of exactly why and for whom said issues are occurring, and under what circumstances.

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katiem1066

^ Well said.

VictoriannaWriter

Lately Emerald has been crashing more than usual and rezzing much much slower than usual. Is there a plan to fix this? Or has someone found a similar resolution?

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fudroy

I found after the new updates that this was happening to me also.
I changed from the optimized to the "regular" and the problem improved dramatically..

The FPS and texture rez rate were much faster even though I have a quad core and good graphics card.

VictoriannaWriter

Thanks I'll give that a shot and see if that will work for me as well. Thank you.

Mocksoup Graves

I am having issues rendering. It is like it is LOD rendering is backward. I am going to try the regular version.

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Charles_D

I have a problem where other AV's just stay blurry. Their prims load okay, but any slider clothing never loads. Sometimes orbiting myself fixes it (Deruth in Argen'ts flight feather), sometimes not.

Edit to add:

Yes, something's definitely wrong with the "Optimized" version.

I get way better FPS in the "Normal" version. And the bandwidth meter actually periodically pegs to the maximum I set.

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VictoriannaWriter

I went back to the regular Emerald rather than the Optimized last night. Much much better.

A few tweaks are needed in the Optimized.

Ayumi

An upgrade later, I still experience high latency (and lag) after sitting in edit appearance mode for any moderate length of time.

:/ RAWRRRR

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Predreus

I too switched to the "normal" version of Emerald, and I must say that it is a lot better running than the "Optimized" version. Not only does it open quicker, it just seems to run better all around now.

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Talon DeCuir

When you guys install a new version - do you reinstall the linden/etc pack again afterwards?

Predreus

When I install a new version, I first uninstall the previous one then I search for and delete anything that it left behind, such as settings, cache, the program folder, etc. Then I install the new version and install the voice/proprietary pack.

Chalice Yao

Very intersting notes about the better performance of the normal version vs. the optimized :O

I'll relay that. Seems like something went wrong with the optimized compiling.

Mabb Dilweg

I can confirm that after installling the non optimised version, I am rezzing faster and crashing lless often. FYI my hardware is 1 month old Asus G71GX.

Kennef Riggles

i can confirm that sculpty LOD has taken a hit with the optimized version. i am back to sculpt parts being randomly invisible until i right click on them.

Ilana Debevec

((looks around the google code area, sniffs Modular site... goes back to patiently waiting... sorta patiently.... kinda.... YARRGGGG!))

Hana

If you're looking for the Emerald-snow download it's in the Downloads>Miscellaneous area. ...but.. maybe you're looking for something else..... i'm on no sleep! >.>

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Ilana Debevec

Actually was looking for the bugfix mentioned

Chalice Yao

That download is somewhat older :> Not the one with shiny bugfixies yet. I want the release to be done by the same guy who wraps up our normal windows binaries, despite me doing the Emerald-Snowglobe branch maintaining. Sorry for the delays.