SLUniverse Forums - View Single Post - Well, I don't think the lab is gonna budge on the price hike.

caroline ra · 10-31-2008, 03:29 PM

Chapter 4

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[12:39] Bob Bunderfeld: It's alright for Employee's to abuse the system, but no one else?
[12:40] Sindy Tsure: only the non-residential sims are OS, Bob.. I suspect you already know that, though
[12:40] Sindy Tsure: at nautilus
[12:40] Robin Linden: You should speak to Jack, Aurora. I can certainly pass your questions on thought
[12:40] Bob Bunderfeld: They still have buildings on them
[12:40] Nika Talaj: (Bob, I don't know why that one administrative messup is so very significant here)
[12:40] Bob Bunderfeld: Resourse Allocation, isn't that what we were discussing?
[12:40] Aurora Jacks: ty that would be very much apreciated
[12:40] Chaley May: a house or 2 doesnt use much respurces with a couple of people living there... also they can be used linked together to make nice routes for people that enjoy sailing
[12:40] Bob Bunderfeld: Because, that one messup isn't being treated exactly like they want to treat their customers
[12:41] Aurora Jacks: stop slamming LL it must not be that bad if you are still here
[12:41] Robin Linden: sorry - trying to catch up with this.
[12:41] xstorm Radek: one small error is not the end of a world
[12:41] Justice Razor: we might not always be here, aurora
[12:41] Sindy Tsure: buildings matter far less than things like script and traffic, bob
[12:41] Aurora Jacks: the insults dont help
[12:41] Ciaran Laval: To be fair to Bob he has been a long time, has anyone else here been here as long as Bob?
[12:41] Bob Bunderfeld: I've been here for 5 years plus and will continue to be. But when LL starts messing with their very lifeblood, the customers, how long will SL be here?
[12:41] Spencer Dharnen: Sorry, to cut in again momentarily.....Robin, I just sent the Notecard
[12:41] Bob Bunderfeld: What insults?
[12:41] Brunnar Sopwith: You may be right that what I was talking about is complicated Robin. I do not have specific knowledge of the back-end technical specifics. I can tell you this, any of the resolutions to any of your issues are going to take work and alot of things are never as simple as people would like them to be. As for a simpler solution, well maybe the simplest solution is to admit you stuck your foot in your collective mouths and shot from the hip on this decision before you consulted the very same group of people without whom, you would not have a company at all. User created content IS how Sl has come to be what it is.
[12:42] xstorm Radek: life blood ? what are you a vampire ?
[12:42] Spencer Dharnen: Did you receive it?
[12:42] Robin Linden: Yes Spencer.
[12:42] Bob Bunderfeld: Don't go there Storm. I was very nice when I didn't need to be. So just back off if you are going to be that way
[12:42] Justice Razor: robin: what do you think about the grandfathering option? that seems to me to make everybody happy... what is the flaw in it?
[12:42] Spencer Dharnen: Thank you....I'll also send an email with the same information. Bye for now!
[12:43] Robin Linden: Ciao Spencer!
[12:43] Sindy Tsure: cya, spencer
[12:43] Nika Talaj: Justice, grandfathering all current OSR's in at the same tier level as now, you mean?
[12:43] Ciaran Laval: Grandfathering is the only way Linden Lab can restore trust and confidence.
[12:44] xstorm Radek: i only like facts not people pointing at others for small errors in some thing that is still new and growing
[12:44] Robin Linden: Everyone else -- I agree that this is complex. the pricing that Brunnar is suggesting makes it more difficult for people to understand. that's why I was suggesting it would be good to make it simplr.
[12:44] Sindy Tsure: grandfathering sounds like license to continue to abuse the OS product, ciaran..
[12:44] Ciaran Laval: They should then suspend the product for 2 months and relaunch it at the new levels if a technical solution can't be found in the 2 month hiatiys
[12:44] Chaley May: but even then they cant just grandfather alone
[12:44] Ciaran Laval: hiatius
[12:44] Chaley May: they will still need to recognize true openspace usage
[12:44] Bob Bunderfeld: No Grandather those here now, then lower PRIM limits on all others sold, so this can't happen again
[12:45] Robin Linden: Grandfathering is problematic because it creates something like a class system. The other problem is it doesn't distinguish between resource uses.
[12:45] Bob Bunderfeld: I mean, yes to grandfather
[12:45] Chaley May: they cant have someone buy a sea for $125 a month while you all live it up in nice islands for $75
[12:45] Bob Bunderfeld: But Robin, who created that Class?
[12:45] Ciaran Laval: Robin please, grandfathering is a precednet
[12:45] Brunnar Sopwith: I don't think grandfathering completely solves the issue. There are deeper issues at hand. How are server metrics handled on the back-side? Can they be presented to to community so that we can see what's being seen behind the scenes?
[12:45] Bob Bunderfeld: Doesn't Linden Lab has some responsibility in this at all?
[12:45] Ciaran Laval: precedent, geesh my typing has gone to pot and I haven't hit the pub yet
[12:45] Jorge Serapis: GRandfathering already exists re: private sims.. and I haven't seen any negative hubris about it.
[12:45] Robin Linden: hehe Ciaran
[12:45] Bob Bunderfeld: How about LIFETIME Accts?
[12:46] Bob Bunderfeld: I know some were sold AFTER their time-limit
[12:46] Bob Bunderfeld: Isn't that the same thing?
[12:46] Robin Linden: Grandfatherine for the private regions is tied to server class, Jorge.
[12:46] Justice Razor: grandfathering is a precident that was set 2 years ago the last time tier prices increased... what makes the content creators 2 years ago worthy fo grandfathering but the OS owners today not worthy of grandfathering?
[12:46] xstorm Radek: just keep it out of mainland we have more then we need of problems now on mainland sims
[12:46] Nika Talaj: jack has said there are two problems: a technical resource issue, and revenue - they miscalculated and didn't get enough tier for the OSRs. Grandfathering would not help the 2nd problem at all.
[12:46] Bob Bunderfeld: I respectuflly submit that Jack that that because he was told to
[12:47] Bob Bunderfeld: jask said that
[12:47] Jorge Serapis: So grandfathering exists.. and as I said, i've not heard any issue about it.
[12:47] Robin Linden: Jack also said that we're reviewing all the feedback and that we need to account for different levels of use.