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Old 01-13-2011, 02:33 PM   #134 (permalink)
Tsukasa Karuna
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Originally Posted by Artemis Fate View Post
Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself, while the JLU may be new to you, I've known about them for years, and had a few run ins with them. I've had a few debates about this stuff, and seen the kind of ego they toss out first hand.

When they showed up in my sim, I only knew them as some random peacekeeper group doing a job that I could do with admin tools, so after a debate with one of their people, I ended up kicking them out. Kalel IMed me later imploring me not to do so because my sim would be "unprotected" without their expertise. Their Wiki is full of little side anecdotes about how they met some person griefing a sandbox who was "really scared of them", or pretty much everytime someone goes "Hey, it's superman!".
Ah, fair enough. Combined with some of the stuff in the wiki, this really makes me wonder about the JLU guys..

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Well first off, just because you can't see them, doesn't mean they're not there or not getting that response. They could be on an alt (since the accounts used to do those griefing are often throwaway), or they could just be waiting for the IMs from people who look up the owner of the objects and complain, or the whole thing could have been a frame-up, give a grey-goo rezzer to some newb and say it's a sex bed, then laugh as he rezzes a sim crasher. There's just no point to trash sims for the sake of trashing them, if it's not funny to them then it's not worthwhile.
As someone who has at least two active PN's on my skype list, that's just not the case. The amount of effort required to trash a sim is **minimal**. "I'm bored, I'm going to go ruin llGetRandomSandbox();" is a line i've seen pop up more than once. I know it seems weird, but it's true. Lulz are not always the deciding factor with these guys. "Because we can" applies better.

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Let me also say I'm not really talking about all peacekeeper groups here. The JLU (as far as I know) is the only one that keeps a secret database, and the other groups don't dress up and have a whole "roleplay" about fighting griefers, this is important since for the most part if Gridwatch is doing something, you wouldn't even notice. If the JLU is doing something, then there's a guy wearing a superhero costume with his JLU tag active, and sometimes with a big superhero effect (like a giant green lantern bubble) floating in the sky, very noticeable.
Okay, thanks. I think that's why I was taking such issue with your post is because you seemed to be slamming all of the peacekeeper groups.

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I define "Griefer" as someone who dedicates all their time in SL to griefing, they join a specific group, they use almost nothing but throwaway alts, and they treat getting banned as a mark of distinction. I don't consider newbies who haven't understood that SL isn't a FPS game, or people who're simply pissed off at something and griefing a sim once in revenge, to be griefers. So when I use that term, I'm referring to a specific type, and that type is in it for the lulz, and nothing is more lulzy then make-belief superhero police.
I'd count the "simply pissed off at something and griefing a sim once in revenge" type among that number too, but okay

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Well the issue is assuming that something they're mass-ARing actually is AR worthy. The JLU wiki keeps listings of what they AR, and some of them are ridiculous, like ARing a car in a sandbox with the license plate "JLUSUX" for defamation. The problem is, when you can get a bunch of people to AR one thing without making those people look to be connected, then the "minimum wage contractors" as GreenLantern put it, don't tend to look too closely. They just assume that it bothers a lot of unconnected people and get rid of it, regardless if the AR is valid or not. This is partly LL's problem for having terrible customer service, but it's also the JLU knowingly exploiting a loop hole.
I can't speak for the JLU, but I've never in my time with ANN ever seen a false alarm raised. All of the calls I've seen were legitimate sim bombs. While I agree that it's a loophole ripe for exploiting.. what can you do? When the griefers abuse the content creation tools to ruin everyone's day, I think it's only fair to "abuse" the AR window in order to reverse or mitigate that ruining. If there was a better recourse, I'd love to use it.
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